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The Man With The Golden Thumb



GELSENKIRCHEN – Once again consensus heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko did what he was supposed to do, in the manner most predicted, as he completely controlled and stopped previously undefeated Ruslan Chagaev with a strong but unspectacular performance.

Once again, many observers who watched the contest on USA TV clucked about how Klitschko, now 53-3 (47 KOs), failed to impress in the style they felt befitted a truly special boxer.

Once again, a German arena was overflowing with faithful, enthusiastic Klitschko fans who didn't care a bit about what critics cried.

This time the assembled swarm was even bigger than usual, as Veltins Arena was indeed packed to the Rheinland gills with a crowd of approximately 61,000 people.

It was not an unhappy crowd that departed after Klitschko ground the brave, durable, but generally ineffective Chagaev, 25-1-1 (17 KOs), down into slugged-out submission after nine mostly one-sided frames.

For the gloved up garden of professional boxing, at least in these well- heeled environs, the padded mitts Klitschko used to powder Chagaev's mug held special symbolism with bright, gold colored thumb areas. In current Klitschkoville, growth remains the operative definition whether you're looking at blossoming live gate sales or tagging technique.

From the looks and comments of the ticket buying throngs as they exited into a rain-misted early morning, most consumers here will gladly continue to patronize Klitschko fights. The crowd here would be happy to return, and probably willing to pay more the next time.

After the fight, Klitschko was more animated than ever before as he screamed with delight at his masses.

“I want to thank every single man, woman, and child that came here tonight!” Klitschko yelled as the grandstands responded with a roar.

“The fight was as I planned,” added the relatively untouched Klitschko. “I expected pressure, he wouldn't box with me. Ruslan was pushing. I just had to move my feet and punch from a different position. My jab was working well and I knew that was a key.”

“I felt I could have fought more rounds but my corner said no and it's his decision,” said Chagaev, who kept moving forward with his hands up but didn't let them go nearly enough to be a threat.

You can count team members of the Klitschko brothers' widely successful promotional enterprises, K2 and Klitschko Management Group, among those who don't seem to hear or pay attention to the negative yapping that accompanies either Wladimir or Vitali's professional appearances.

It would be pretty hard for the Klitschkos to let naysayers get to them anyway, amidst their throngs of European admirers.

German boxing cards seem to have less of a “blood sport” mentality than many arenas I've seen on the American continent.
I've never heard the “kill him” type barking you get at many US venues, and never heard a card girl insulted here. I'm not claiming one fan set philosopy is better or more conducive in terms of resulting boxing quality. Both scenarios are usually a blast.

By my observation, German boxing matches are more of a high end date night than a down and dirty evening out with the boys.

Just how civilized should a boxing card be, anyway?

The Klitschko-Chagaev card, billed as “Knockout Auf Schalke (named for the very popular football team that plays in Veltins arena) was a big night out. The packed “VIP” (read expensive as in well over five hundred euros a minimum pop) floor area featured an amazing buffet spread, and popular, offbeat entertainment.

After US heavyweight Cedric Boswell, 30-1 (24 KOs), made his pitch for a title opportunity and halted overmatched local Serdar Uysal, 9-7-2 (4 KOs), and Kronk teammate and Irish middleweight Andy Lee, 18-1 (13 KOs), had a tougher time than expected with willing Olegs Fedotovs, 10-6 (6 KOs), there was a break in the bouts as a top German comedian did twenty minutes of roaming stand-up.

Audience reaction was mixed, but at least it was something new. Nothing wrong with adding a bit of intermission culture to the conking.

I'll admit succumbing to personal, Father's Day fiesta bias. It's hard to be critical of a situation when you're stuffing your face with Remoulade truffle cream sirloin or red curry mango catfish, puffing cubans between primo Dortmund area brews or shots of cranberry Nemiroff vodka while you listen to “The Boss Hoss”, a speed-metal cowboy band that sounded like a thrash version of Big and Rich.

Speed metal country western from Berlin? Live comedy? Add all the punching puns you want, but it wasn't your typical fight scene. Purists may take the position that such additions are merely smoke and mirrors for the Klitschkos' lack of fistic prowess or stirring slugfests.

Maybe it's a matter of different tastes. I never thought I'd see performance poetry or a violin virtuoso before a boxing match, like those at previous Klitschko affairs.

The main event is still the primary attraction, but does it have to be the only priority?

Maybe the opponent who brings out the best in Klitschko isn't out there. Maybe it will still be David Haye. One can expect to hear Haye squawk the same way he did after other Klitschko fights, once again making his case as an opponent, but now Haye will find less of an audience.

Chagaev is probably willing to fight Haye in the time frame Haye professed he'd be ready, but for Klitschko it's on to bigger and better things even though this latest performance and the surounding hoopla may be hard to top.

“I'm very upset about Haye,” said Klitschko dismissively. “Because of him I missed three to four months of fighting time. I don't want to blame him, but he could not deliver, he was always asking for two or three more weeks, then four or five or six more. I've never gotten a statement about his injury or information from his doctor. Haye has a big, dirty mouth and that's all. He can get in the back of the freaking line.

“I can't wait for him, he's immature as a fighter and as a person. I was ready to fight and I'll give him another chance, but first Haye needs to get some fights and we'll see who emerges.”

Haye is probably the preferred option for US and UK fans and TV networks as Klitschko's next opponent but it seems unlikely now Haye will get a shot without beating another name heavyweight first.

In Germany, Klitschko doesn't need any name on the marquee besides his own. Fans aren't disappointed if they don't get a George Foreman-Ron Lyle replay.

Remember, the Chagaev fight was put on in a football/soccer stadium, where single goal games or strategy-based ties are often a vastly popular standard.

Perhaps there is indeed a transcontinental difference in preferred mode of duke-out action. I think much of the preference here puts a premium on the Klitschkos conducting themselves as professionals who show up in good shape and get the job done.
For the most part, Wladmiir did exactly that. Chagaev is a sturdy, aggressive fighter who tried to stay busy but simply couldn't handle Klitschko's size and style. As Klitschko continued to peck away with a big jab that served as both offense and defense, it would be unfair to howl about the lack of two-way action.

Klitschko has a formula for success that is still being fine-tuned by Emanuel Steward, and it may still be a while before we see the best of Klitschko.

Or, perhaps we've already seen everything Klitschko has to offer. The debate over those merits continues, but there is no debate over Klitschko's results.

Many people say Klitschko still hasn't proven himself. Even Steward admitted that Klitschko hasn't had the “defining” fight that will endear him to the US public, and likened Klitschko's situation to what Lennox Lewis used to face.

Maybe Klitschko's defining fight actually was here at Schalke. It's looking more and more like Klitschko will never engage in a toe-to -toe survival, multiple two way knockdown brawl.

Maybe Klitschko will either simply dominate like he did against Chagaev or Hasim Rahman and Tony Thompson before that, or get iced himself like he did versus Lamon Brewster or Corrie Sanders.

Perhaps it isn't just the endings of Klitschko's contests that seem anti-climactic, but the fights themselves.

“I'm getting a little bit lost with all this 'disputed' or 'undisputed' talk,” reflected Klitschko in the third language he used at the postfight conference. “The Klitschko brothers have most of the titles now and I just enjoy the process. I'm not thinking about my legacy or my place in history. I just want to enjoy each fight. I definitely want to return to New York City and Madison Square Garden.”

“You get criticized when you're dominating, but the controversy starts when you're on the floor or bleeding. I'm not looking forward to proving my chin, because it's made from glass, so I hope I can always dominate my fights.” (Editor Note: I wonder, was his “glass” comment a sarcastic one or was he acknowledging a deficiency?)

How many more “boring” title defenses or one sided thumpings will we see before Klitschko runs into another hook that puts him down and out on that old street with its questionable que?

The answer to that issue may become an example of eventually compiling Hall of Fame numbers. Judging from how Klitschko looked against Chagaev, it certainly seems another loss for Wladimir will be coming later, not sooner, if at all.

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UFC 108 Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva



Former champion Rashad Evans meets Brazil’s venerable Thiago Silva in a non-title belt that can lead to a return match with the current champ, but first things first.

Evans (15-1-1) and Silva (14-1) meet in Ultimate Fighting Championship 108 in a light heavyweight bout on Saturday Jan. 2, at the MGM Grand Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. A win by either fighter could result in a world title bid. The fight card is being shown on pay-per-view television.

Events can change quickly in the Octagon and anybody can beat anybody in the 205-pound weight division. Just ask Silva or Evans.

Silva and Evans are both experienced and can vouch firsthand about the capriciousness of fighting in MMA and especially as a light heavyweight. On one day this man can beat that man and on another day, that man can beat this man. It can make you absolutely daffy.

Evans, 30, is the former UFC light heavyweight world champion who only defended his title on one occasion and lost by vicious knockout to current champion Lyoto Machida of Brazil. It’s the only defeat on his record.

Silva, 27, is a well-rounded MMA fighter from Sao Paolo, Brazil who is versed in jujitsu, Muy Thai and boxing. He can end a fight quickly in a choke hold just as easily as with a kick or a punch. His only loss came to who else: Machida.

Evans and Silva know a win can push open the door to a rematch with current UFC light heavyweight champion Machida.

“A win against Rashad would put me in the track against Lyoto,” said Silva, in a telephone conference call. “That's what – what I want to do.”

When Silva fought Machida the two Brazilians were both undefeated and feared in the MMA world. The fight took place in Las Vegas and with one second remaining in the first round a perfectly timed punch knocked Silva unconscious.

“I was humbled big time, man,” says Silva who fought Machida in January 2009. “I learned a lot from that fight.  I think I can correct the mistakes from that fight, not overlooking anything else right now, but just I want to get the chance to fight him again.”

For Evans it was a different circumstance. The upstate New Yorker held the UFC title and was defending it after stopping then champion Forrest Griffin by knockout. Still, many felt Machida was far too technically versed. Evans was stopped brutally in the second round.

“I've made it a point to not – to not get distracted on what I want to do, because you know Thiago (Silva) is a very hungry fighter,” said Evans who has not fought since losing the title to Machida last May. “My focus is just on Thiago so much.  You know I don't want to overlook him, you know, not even a little bit.”

Dana White, president of UFC, says the winner of this fight could conceivably fight Machida in the near future. Evans and especially Silva are motivated by the open window.

“I learned a lot from that fight. I think I can correct the mistakes from that fight,” says Silva. “Not overlooking anything else right now, but I just want to get the chance to fight him again.”

What a prize. The winner gets to face the man who beat him: Machida.

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No One Is Leaving This Stage Of Negotiations Looking GOLDEN



Early in his political career, the young Lyndon Baines Johnson served as a congressional aide to Rep. Richard Kleberg, the wealthy owner of the King Ranch who was elected to seven consecutive terms in the House of Representatives, at least in part because he often ran unopposed.

One year an upstart rival politician we'll call Joe Bob had the temerity to challenge Kleberg in the Democratic primary, resulting in the convocation of the Texas congressman's staff to plot an election strategy. Several ideas were kicked around before Kleberg himself came up with a brainstorm.

“Why don't we start a rumor that he [copulates with] sheep?” proposed the politician.

This was a bit over the top, even for Lyndon Johnson. The future president leapt to his feet and said, incredulously, “But you know Joe Bob don't [copulate with] sheep!”

“Yeah,” replied the congressman, “but watch what happens when the son of a bitch has to stand up and deny it!”


Events of the past week or two have seen the Floyd Mayweather camp adopt a similar tactic with regard to Manny Pacquiao.  But if introducing what would appear to be a red-herring issue — the debate over drug-testing procedures — to the negotiating process was intended as a negotiating ploy, it would appear for the moment to have backfired.  The idea might have been to force Pacquiao to go on the defensive, but Pac-Man instead responded with his stock in trade, the counterpunch — in this case the multi-million dollar defamation suit he filed against the Mayweathers, pere et fils,, with the U.S. District Court in Las Vegas on Wednesday.

In boxing even more than in life, you never say never, but you'd have to say that Pacquiao-Mayweather is a dead issue right now, at least in its March 13 incarnation. Bob Arum says Pacquiao is prepared to move along to another opponent, and Mayweather is supposedly looking at Matthew Hatton in England.

We'll believe that when we see it, for at least three reasons: (1) There would hardly seem to be enough money in that one to make it worth Floyd's time, (2) He's going to have to put so much into preparing a defense to this lawsuit that he mightn't have time to train and (3) He'd get a better workout if he stayed in Vegas and boxed one of Uncle Roger's girl opponents.


Colleagues on this site have already done a good job of dissecting this process. Ron Borges is absolutely correct in noting that in the midst of all the posturing that's gone on, you'd be a fool to accept at face value anything coming out of any of the parties' mouths. And Frank Lotierzo is spot on in noting that if you had absolutely no desire to actually get in the ring with Manny Pacquiao but were still looking to save face, you'd do pretty much exactly what Mayweather has done. Which is to say, talk tough while you get others to run interference with a series of actions seemingly calculated to ensure that the fight doesn't come off.

But left almost unscathed in all of this heretofore has been the convoluted role played by Golden Boy — by CEO Richard Schaefer, by the company's namesake Oscar the Blogger, GBP's subsidiary enterprise, The Ring, and at least a few of the lap-dogs and lackeys whose favor GPB has cultivated elsewhere in the media.

In late March of 2008, Shane Mosley and Zab Judah appeared at a New York press conference to announce a fight between them in Las Vegas two months later. As it happened, the BALCO trial had gotten underway out in California that week. That day I sat with Judah and his attorney Richard Shinefield as they explained that they intended to ask that both boxers agree to blood testing in the runup to the fight. Citing Mosley's history with BALCO and its products The Cream and The Clear (which Shane claimed Victor Conte had slipped him when he wasn't looking), Shinefield and Zab, noting that Nevada drug tests were limited to urinalysis, proposed that the supplementary tests be administered by the World Anti-Doping Agency.

Want to know what Richard Schaefer's response to that was?

“Whatever tests [the NSAC] wants them to take, we will submit to, but we are not going to do other tests than the Nevada commission requires,” said Schaefer. “The fact is, Shane is not a cheater and he does not need to be treated like one.”

But the fact is that Mosley had a confirmed history as a cheater. Manny Pacquiao does not. Yet in the absence of a scintilla of evidence or probable cause, less than two years later Schaefer was howling that the very integrity of the sport would be at risk unless Pacquiao submitted to precisely the same sort of testing he had rejected for Mosley.

And you thought it was Arum who was famous for saying “Yeah, but yesterday I was lying. Today I'm telling the truth!”

Schaefer, by the way, defended his 180-degree turnabout by saying he is now better educated on the issue. He couldn't resist aiming a harpoon at the media by adding that many sportswriters “don't know the difference between blood and urine testing.”

Don't know how to break this to you, Richard, but sportswriters, who have had to deal with this stuff for the past twenty years, probably know more about drug-testing procedures than any other group you could name.


Now, the reasonable assumption would be that by assuming the role of the point man in this unseemly mess, Schaefer was insulating his boss (De La Hoya) and his fighter (PBF) by keeping their fingerprints off it while he made a fool of himself publicly conducting this snide little campaign.  

And yes, Money would have stayed out of the line of fire had not a two-month old, expletive-filled rant in which he described the Philippines as the world's foremost producer of performance-enhancing drugs not exploded on the internet at the most inopportune moment. That the lawsuit was filed less than 24 hours after “Floyd Meets the Rugged Man” overtook the Tiger Watch probably wasn't a coincidence.

And we're assuming that this Dan Petrocelli, the lawyer who filed Pacquiao's suit, knows what he's doing, because if there were an even one-zillionth chance that somebody could credibly link Manny to PEDs, then it was a pretty dumb thing to do. You could ask Roger Clemens about that.  Clemens' transformation from Hall of Famer-in-waiting to nationwide laughingstock didn't come from the Mitchell Report. It came from his wrongheaded decision to file a lawsuit against Brian McNamee, which in turn threw everything open to the discovery process.


De La Hoya, in the meantime, was playing both sides of the fence. He let Schaefer play Bad Cop as he distanced himself from the negotiating process, but simultaneously was sniping away at Pacquiao from his First Amendment-protected perch as a blogger.

“If Pacquiao, the toughest guy on the planet, is afraid of needles and having a few tablespoons of blood drawn from his system, then something is wrong…  I'm just saying that now people have to wonder: 'Why doesn't he want to do this?' Why is [blood testing] such a big deal?' wrote Oscar the Blogger. “A lot of eyebrows have been raised. And this is not good.”

Ask yourself this: Exactly what caused those eyebrows to be raised, other than the innuendo coming straight from Oscar's company?

Providing De La Hoya with a forum from which to dispense propaganda  only begins to illustrate the hopelessly compromised position from which The Ring continues to operate. They might as well give Schaefer a column, too, while they're at it.

Nearly seven months have elapsed since we last visited the Ring/Golden Boy relationship, and at the risk of winding Nigel up, it might be useful here to note that in the midst of last June's discourse, The Ring's editor offered a laundry list of the magazine's covers since the De La Hoya takeover as a demonstration of Golden Boy's restraint.

After listing them, Nigel Collins wrote “that's 28 covers over the course of 21 issues, of which Top Rank had 12 fighters, as opposed to eight for Golden Boy and eight for other promotional entities. Obviously, The Ring has shown no bias to Golden Boy when it comes to magazine covers.”

It had never even been suggested that the conflict of interest extended to the magazine playing favorites in choosing its cover subjects, but since Nigel brought it up it is probably worth noting now that of those eight covers given over to “other promotional entities,” two were of David Haye, whose promoter was properly listed as “Hayemaker,” but who had also signed a promotional deal with Golden Boy in May of 2008. (Just last month GBP issued a release in De La Hoya's name in which it described itself as “Golden Boy Promotions, the United States promoter of World Boxing Association Heavyweight World Champion David Haye.”)

And even more to the point, in four other issues Nigel Collins offered in evidence the cover subject was Floyd Mayweather (Independent), although what has transpired with regard to the Pacquiao fight doesn't make Money look very independent at all, does it?

We don't regularly keep track of these things, but in making sure we didn't misquote  Oscar's Blog we also came across a representation of the January 2010 issue on The Ring's website.  The picture on the cover of the Bible of Boxing is of the Golden Boy himself, and the cover story “De La Hoya: The Retirement Interview.”

Wow! Now there's a hot topic for crusading journalists.

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Paul Malignaggi Explains Why He Thinks Manny Has Used PEDs



In theory and in practice I am vehemently opposed to people tossing out unfounded allegations against someone. Supply evidence, then we can talk. But saying someone is using steroids, or EPO, or HGH, based on a theory, or your gut instinct….I have to consider, what if the allegation were thrown at me, and I was 100% innocent. I'd be mightily irked. And so too would you be.

Manny Pacquaio has been hammered from all sides with folks insinuating and coming right out with the contention that they think he's been cheating, that he's been using illegal performance enhancers to give him an edge in competition. Floyd Mayweather Sr, Paulie Malignaggi, Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron have either accused Manny, or insinuated that he's been using PEDs. One has to wonder, where's all this smoke coming from? Is it possible that there's fire lurking? That these folks aren't just lobbing unfounded barbs at Manny, that their allegations and hints aren't just sour grapes, or posturing, or a ploy to lure Manny into a fight?

By and large, there hasn't been much in the way of coverage from the standpoint of: what if Manny is using PEDs, or was using PEDs? I think that is rightly so; I'd be more comfortable if none of us trafficked in the innuendo and speculation, and worked within the realm of evidence, and facts. But it's out there, and a topic of conversation and speculation. Perhaps it's a symptom and sign of the times we live in…

TSS reached out to Malignaggi, just off a solid win in his Dec. 12 rematch with Juan Diaz. The Brooklyn-based pugilist has never been shy about speaking his peace (I picture him exiting his mom's womb and barking at the labor and delivery crew to get the room cleaned up, stat!), and he shared with TSS what he bases his allegations, which he's careful to label opinion, upon.

First off, Malignaggi is of the belief that if the Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations are at a fatal impasse, Yuri Foreman, and not he, will get the coveted date with Pacquiao. Malignaggi has been mentioned as stand-in for Mayweather.

He started off by insisting that ” I have nothing against Pacquiao” but then went from mellow to madman in a 30 second span.

First off, the boxer wonders why Team Pacquiao isn't going after big-time newspapers, with deep pocketed owners, for libel, for insinuating that Pacquiao is drug cheat.

“If Pacquiao's so sue happy, why not sue the New York Daily News?” he asked. “Maybe they know the steroid allegations are true.”

By and large, Malignaggi thinks it is impossible, utterly impossible, for a boxer to put on 15 or more pounds between March 15, 2008, when he fought Juan Manuel Marquez and weighed 129 pounds at the weigh in, and Nov. 14, 2009 when he fought Miguel Cotto and was 144 pounds at the weigh in, and more on fight night.

“It's not natural looking,” Malignaggi said. But, I countered, what if Manny's supremely blessed, that unlike some other fighters who go up in weight, and look a bit bloated, and lack definition, he's just a special creature?

“He's not supremely blessed,” Maliganngi said. “I know body builders. They can't put on 17 or whatever pounds of muscle in a year. It's not doable, in my opinion. These are my speculations, my opinions based on certain factual evidence. Does his weight gain look normal to you? And his head looks like it has blown up in size, too.”

I offered to Malignaggi that perhaps we should be attacking the system, if we believe it to be lacking, rather than the individual.

“We can blame the system a little bit, but if you were Manny, wouldn't you want to leave no doubt? Or speculation?” said Maliganngi, who believes that by not agreeing to the terms set forth by Team Mayweather, and opposing a blood test within 30 days of the bout, Pacquaio appears guilty.

Pacquiao has agreed to take 3 blood tests: the first during the week of the kickoff news conference in early January, the second random test to be conducted no later than 30 days before the fight, and a final test after the bout. A video making the rounds from the HBO 24/7 series shows Pacquiao submitting to a blood test two or three weeks before he was due to fight Ricky Hatton, and that has cast doubt on Team Pacquiao's stance that Manny is disinclined to get a blood test too close to a bout, for fear he may be weakened. Originally, it was reported in error that that test was taken 14 days before the Hatton bout, but subsequent reports pegged the test as being taken 24 days before the scrap. Malignaggi feels Pacquiao has been caught lying, that the report from Team Pacquiao that he “has difficulty taking blood” is a cover story. “Why is he effing lying?” Malignaggi said, heatedly.

The New Yorker doesn't believe too many fighters in the lighter weight classes are using PEDs, but thinks usage isn't uncommon in the heavyweight division. “That's hard to do and make weight,” he said.

The question is asked of Malignaggi: why does the issue make him so steamed?

“I don't like cheaters,” he said. “This is not baseball. You're not just hitting home runs. You have to worry about peoples' lives. Miguel Cotto in my opinion has been beaten by two cheaters. Manny if he's cheating is taking away from guys who are doing things the right way. His team is reneging on their words.”

And what if you're wrong, Malignaggi? What if Manny is clean, and you are hurting his rep with these allegations?

“I bet everything I own that I'm not,” he said. “But we'll never find out. Hey, I would take the test in a heartbeat. I would want people to know I'm clean. He wants to leave doubts!?? His entire legacy is being questioned, he's willing to hurt his legacy and leave $40 million on the table?”

Maliganngi, after reminding TSS that he was correct in predicting he'd be gamed by judges in the first fight with Diaz, insisted that he isn't singling out Pacquiao for a personal vendetta. “”I've never had anything against him. But that's enough now. I call it like I see it.”

What about those who'd say he's just trying to anger Pacquiao, to lure him into a fight?

“No. I expected he'd take the random tests to get this fight. No way I thought he'd throw away everything. That blew me away. It was cool to have my name mentioned.”

Malignaggi thinks the boxing media has dropped the ball, and not exercised due diligence in examining the possibility that Manny has used PEDs.

“I understand most people like Manny, and not Floyd. Just cause that's the case doesn't mean Manny might not be cheating. It's nothing to do with him personally. But I call a spade a spade. Too many people avoid the possibilities because Manny's a likable person. He's got that front, his country loves him. That front works like crazy. Floyd plays the bad guy, but he's natural. Just don't downplay the fact that Manny might be cheating. You have to open your eyes and at least be willing to look at it. This is bigger than me. The fact that the fight is not being made, you have to question the integrity of Pacquiao.”

Malignaggi then offered an analogy to the Manny-refusing-to-be-subjected-to multiple-random-drug-tests prior-to-a-fight-with-Mayweather deal. “It reminds me of the drunk guy who's pulled over at 3 AM. He has a field sobriety test, the cop knows he's drunk, he looks and acts drunk. But he refuses a breathalyzer test. That don't mean the cop don't haul him to the police station.”

I reiterate…I don't think anyone should be casting aspersions based on circumstantial evidence. But with so many people ganging up on Manny, I think fight fans are owed some details on why people are accusing Pacman of using PEDs.

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