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Salido-Lopez Series Latest Example Of Strength Being A Major Factor In Outcome – Throughout the modern era of professional boxing the physical strength versus punching power debate has been ongoing. The media and fans are mesmerized by fighters who have life-taking power and no fighter looks more invincible or unstoppable than an undefeated big puncher on the way up.

What’s so often overlooked and flat out missed is, all fighters can punch. No, they’re not all destroyers, but they all can hit. However, punching power must be delivered and then what if when delivered the other fighter isn’t forced to do what he doesn’t want to? Some fighters are too strong to box and to beat them you have to fight them. Maybe not go toe-to-toe and trade, but to have a chance to win you have no other alternative but to engage with them. And often times because of one fighters’ superiority in ring strength over the other, the weaker fighter has to do something to try and hold his ground. It’s either that or submit, which we know isn’t really an option once a fighter is gloved up and in the midst of combat.

As we saw this past weekend for the second time in two fights, despite perhaps being the bigger puncher, Juan Manuel Lopez couldn’t do enough damage to Orlando Salido before being stopped by him. Forget about punching angles and foot placement, the reality was, when Lopez, who was noticeably gun shy for a few rounds, landed on Salido who fought a more intelligent fight, he couldn’t deter him from proceeding with what he was intent on doing. And a lot of that had to do with Salido being the physically stronger fighter who also possesses the better chin. The sense one got from the onset was that Salido was too strong for Lopez, and Lopez’ defense was just too easy for Salido to penetrate with his Sunday punches.

Granted, while he was fresh Lopez was able to stay with Salido. The problem for Lopez was, despite almost knocking Salido out in the fifth round, he couldn’t finish him. And the punch Lopez nailed Salido with would’ve knocked out a horse. Once that didn’t work, there was no hope for Lopez. Salido, who is clearly the stronger fighter, by surviving the best Lopez had, began to come on. By the 10th round Lopez was weakened and had nothing left and was ultimately put away. Postfight, Salido’s face looks like he was mugged. Only the mugger wasn’t strong enough to finish him and take his wallet.

Forget about the Salido-Lopez series for a moment. Look at some other big match ups where the maybe better technician hung with the stronger, more durable fighter until after using up everything they had physically to stay in the fight, they had nothing left after five or so rounds.

Look at the series between former heavyweight champ Joe Frazier and decade long top contender Jerry Quarry. When they met the first time, Jerry tried to take the fight to Joe. And for the better part of three rounds he gave every bit as good as he took. The problem was that in order for Jerry to fight Frazier on even terms during those nine minutes, it took everything he had physically and by the fourth round Quarry’s stamina was springing leaks. From the fourth round on Frazier didn’t miss a beat and Quarry kept falling more links behind until the fight was stopped after the seventh round due to a terrible eye cut and Jerry not having anything left to defend himself.

When they fought a second time five years later, Quarry had re-invented himself and promised that he wasn’t gonna fight Joe’s fight and go to war with him again. When that was relayed back to Frazier, he assured the media that once he tagged Jerry with something big, he’d go back to fighting him and then he’d take over the fight. And for the first round Quarry boxed beautifully and wasn’t nailed with anything of major consequence. Then came round two and Frazier landed a thundering left-hook to Quarry’s jaw. From that moment on Quarry was fighting for his life because he wasn’t strong enough to box Joe. Sure, he knew that he wanted to use the ring and keep Frazier turning as he was going away from his left hook, but he lacked the needed physical strength, not punch, to keep Frazier off so he could box him.

We can use Frazier again in his fights with Jimmy Ellis and Muhammad Ali. Both Jimmy and Muhammad wanted to use the ring and time Joe on the way in as they picked their spots. For two rounds Ellis was looking good, then once he ate a big left hook in the third round, he was never able to physically recover and couldn’t come out for the fifth round. The biggest difference between Ellis and Ali fighting Frazier was, Ali was physically strong enough to come back after Joe landed a lot of heavy leather on him.

You can’t say that Ali really beat up or hit Joe much, if any harder than Ellis did while Jimmy wasn’t tired. The difference was Ali was strong enough to not only stand up to Frazier’s head and body assault, he was also strong enough to tie Frazier up and force him to break off the exchanges. And even when Ali needed to come up for air, he could go to the ropes and let Joe work his body over, yet in two of their three fights Ali had the needed reserve to come back in the later rounds because he was so physically strong.

Another great example is the two fight series between light heavyweight champs Matthew Saad Muhammad and Marvin Johnson. I remember being in the gym 10 days before their first fight at the Spectrum in Philadelphia when Johnson came to Frazier’s to train. On his last day before the fight when he came in to just warm up, trainer George Benton told Johnson that Saad was as strong as a wild bull, and for Johnson to assure himself a win, he couldn’t trade with or engage Saad in a brutal fight that turned into a war. Yes, Johnson was probably the sharper puncher of the two, but Saad had a great chin was prohibitively stronger than Marvin.

When they met in the ring Johnson dominated the first eight rounds, hitting Saad with left and right uppercuts that should’ve landed his head in the upper rafters. But as Benton warned, Saad was so strong and couldn’t be broken by a fighter who wasn’t as strong as he was. After beating Saad for eight rounds Johnson started to tire and the wall in front of him started to fire back at Johnson who lacked the strength and energy to stabilize Saad’s rally. Johnson attempted in vain to box Saad and keep the fight from becoming a war of attrition. But due to him emptying his wagon in trying to either get “Miracle” Matthew out of there or deplete him enough to the point where he couldn’t come on at the end, it took everything out of Johnson and he couldn’t hold him off and was stopped late in the 12th and final round.

In their rematch two years later the same scenario was repeated. Only this time Johnson’s strength and energy were depleted in eight rounds. So regardless of how well he fought and boxed while he was fresh along with him being the better technician, Marvin Johnson wasn’t physically strong enough to defeat Matthew Saad Muhammad the only way he could, by boxing him. In two fights Johnson had the early formula to beat Saad, but the physicality of Saad dictated the outcome of both fights. And like Salido this weekend, Saad looked like the loser after both fights.

When all is said and done, Juan Manuel Lopez lacks the needed physical tools to get the execution fighting Orlando Salido. He doesn’t have enough punching power to stop him, and once he gets winded and slows down some, he isn’t physically strong enough to box and survive an emerging Salido. Like any fighter in that predicament, once Lopez realizes that he can’t get rid of Salido and he’s growing confident and escalating his attack, JuanMa begins to rush his shots. At this point Xs & O’s are forgotten and the only thing he’s running on is trying to survive until he comes up with something or lands a lottery punch.

If Lopez and Salido fought only four or six round bouts, Lopez would have the edge because Salido can’t really get to Lopez until he expends himself. While fresh Lopez can handle anything Salido tries. The problem is, for him to keep Salido somewhat under control, it takes everything out of him physically and in a long damaging fight, Lopez lacks the needed physicality to make it to the end of the 12th round.

The asset of physical ring strength (much different than who is simply the stronger man) and durability is monumental in determining the outcome between two closely matched world class fighters. No, it’s not the be all end all but it effects so much of what transpires after fighters touch each other and feel the physical presence of each other. In the end the stronger fighter isn’t guaranteed to be the winner every time out, but it sure is a huge advantage that’s very difficult to address and overcome. And the biggest punchers aren’t necessarily always the stronger fighter physically.

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The Wednesday night bi-monthly series of fights on the ProBox TV platform is the best deal in boxing; the livestream is free with no strings attached! Tonight’s episode was headlined by a super bantamweight match between San Antonio’s Ramon Cardenas and Eduardo Ramirez who brought a caravan of rooters from his hometown in Guaymas, Sonora, Mexico.

Cardenas, coached by Joel Diaz, entered the contest ranked #4 by the WBA. He was expected to handle Ramirez with little difficulty, but this was a close, tactical fight through eight frames when lightning struck in the form of a left hook to the liver from Cardenas. Ramirez went down on one knee and wasn’t able to beat the count. It was as if Cardenas summoned the ghost of Micky Ward who had a penchant for terminating fights with the same punch that arrived out of the blue.

The official time was 1:37 of round nine. Cardenas improved to 25-1 with his14th win inside the distance. Ramirez, who was stopped in the opening round by Nick “Wrecking” Ball in London in his lone previous fight outside Mexico, falls to 23-3-3.

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In an upset, Tijuana super welterweight Damian Sosa won a split decision over previously undefeated Marques Valle, a local area fighter who was stepping up in class in his first 10-round go. Sosa was the aggressor, repeatedly backing his taller opponent into the ropes where Valle was unable to get good leverage behind his punches.

The 25-year-old Valle, managed by the influential David McWater, was the house fighter. This was his 10th appearance in this building. He brought a 10-0 (7) record and was hoping to emulate the success of his younger brother Dominic Valle who scored a second-round stoppage of his opponent in this ring two weeks ago, improving to 9-0. But Sosa, who brought a 24-2 record, proved to be a bridge too high.

The judges had it 97-93 and 96-94 for the Tijuana invader and a disgraceful 98-92 for the house fighter.

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In a fight whose abrupt ending would be echoed by the main event, 34-year-old SoCal featherweight Ronny Rios, now training in Las Vegas, returned to the ring after a 22-month hiatus and scored a fifth-round stoppage over Nicolas Polanco of the Dominican Republic.

A three-punch combo climaxed by a left hook to the liver took the breath out of Polanco who slumped to his knees and was counted out. A two-time world title challenger, Rios advanced to 34-4 (17 KOs). Polanco, 34, declined to 21-6-1. The official time was 0:54 of round five.

The next ProBox show (Wednesday, May 8) will have an international cast with fighters from Kazakhstan, Japan, Mongolia, and the United Kingdom. In the main event, Liverpool’s Robbie Davies Jr will make his U.S. debut against the California-based Kazakh Sergey Lipinets.

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Haney-Garcia Redux with the Focus on Harvey Dock

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Saturday’s skirmish between Ryan Garcia and WBC super lightweight champion Devin Haney was a messy affair, and yet a hugely entertaining fight fused with great drama. In the aftermath, Garcia and Haney were celebrated – the former for fooling all the experts and the latter for his gallant performance in a losing effort – but there were only brickbats for the third man in the ring, referee Harvey Dock.

Devin Haney was plainly ahead heading into the seventh frame when there was a sudden turnabout when Garcia put him on the canvas with his vaunted left hook. Moments later, Dock deducted a point from Garcia for a late punch coming out of a break. The deduction forced a temporary cease-fire that gave Haney a few precious seconds to regain his faculties. Before the round was over, Haney was on the deck twice more but these were ruled slips.

The deduction, which effectively negated the knockdown, struck many as too heavy-handed as Dock hadn’t previously issued a warning for this infraction. Moreover, many thought he could have taken a point away from Haney for excessive clinching. As for Haney’s second and third trips to the canvas in round seven, they struck this reporter – watching at home – as borderline, sufficient to give referee Dock the benefit of the doubt.

In a post-fight interview, Ryan Garcia faulted the referee for denying him the satisfaction of a TKO. “At the end of the day, Harvey Dock, I think he was tripping,” said Garcia. “He could have stopped that fight.”

Those that played the rounds proposition, placing their coin on the “under,” undoubtedly felt the same way.

The internet lit up with comments assailing Dock’s competence and/or his character. Some of the ponderings were whimsical, but they were swamped by the scurrilous screeching of dolts who find a conspiracy under every rock.

Stephen A. Smith, reputedly America’s highest-paid TV sports personality, was among those that felt a need to weigh-in: “This referee is absolutely terrible….Unreal! Horrible officiating,” tweeted Stephen A whose primary area of expertise is basketball.

Harvey Dock

Dock fought as an amateur and had one professional fight, winning a four-round decision over a fellow novice on a show at a non-gaming resort in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania. He says that as an amateur he was merely average, but he was better than that, a New Jersey and regional amateur champion in 1993 and 1994 while a student New Jersey’s Essex County Community College where he majored in journalism.

A passionate fan of Sugar Ray Leonard, he started officiating amateur fights in 1998 and six years later, at age 32, had his first documented action at the professional level, working low-level cards in New Jersey. The top boxing referees, to a far greater extent than the top judges, had long apprenticeships, having worked their way up from the boonies and Dock is no exception.

Per boxrec, Haney vs Garcia was Harvey Dock’s 364th assignment in the pros and his forty-second world title fight. Some of those title fights were title in name only, they weren’t even main events, but, bit by bit, more lucrative offerings started coming his way.

On May 13, 2023, Dock worked his first fights in Nevada, a 4-rounder and then a 12-rounder on a card at the Cosmopolitan topped by the 140-pound title fight between Rolly Romero and Ismael Barroso. It was the first time that this reporter got to watch Dock in the flesh.

Ironically (in hindsight), the card would be remembered for the actions of a referee, in this case Tony Weeks who handled the main event. Barroso was winning the fight on all three cards when Weeks stepped in and waived it off in the ninth round after Romero cornered Barroso against the ropes and let loose a barrage of punches, none of which landed cleanly. Few “premature stoppages” were ever as garishly, nay ghoulishly, premature.

With all the brickbats raining down on Weeks, I felt a need to tamp down the noise by diverting attention away from Tony Weeks and toward Harvey Dock and took to the TSS Forum to share my thoughts. Referencing the 12-rounder, a robust junior welterweight affair between Batyr Akhmedov and Kenneth Sims Jr, I noted that Dock’s Las Vegas debut went smoothly. He glided effortlessly around the ring, making him inconspicuous, the mark of a good referee. (This post ran on May 15, two days after the fight.)

Folks at the Nevada State Athletic Commission were also paying attention. Dock was back in Las Vegas the following week to referee the lightweight title fight between Devin Haney and Vasyl Lomachenko and before the year was out, he would be tabbed to referee the biggest non-heavyweight fight of the year, the July 29 match in Las Vegas between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr.

The Haney-Garcia fight wasn’t Harvey Dock’s best hour, I’ll concede that, but a closer look at his full body of work informs us that he is an outstanding referee.

While the Haney-Garcia bout was in progress, WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman threw everyone a curve ball, tweeting on “X” that Devin Haney would keep his title if he lost the fight. Everyone, including the TV commentators, was under the impression that the title would become vacant in the event that Haney lost.

Sulaiman cited the precedent of Corrales-Castillo II.

FYI: The Corrales-Castillo rematch, originally scheduled for June 3, 2005 and aborted on the day prior when Castillo failed to make weight, finally came off on Oct. 8 of that year, notwithstanding the fact that Castillo failed to make weight once again, scaling three-and-a-half pounds above the lightweight limit. He knocked out Corrales in the fourth round with a left hook that Las Vegas Review-Journal boxing writer Kevin Iole, alluding to the movie “Blazing Saddles,” described as Mongo-esque (translation: the punch would have knocked out a horse). After initially insisting on a rubber match, which had scant chance of happening, WBC president Jose Sulaiman, Mauricio’s late father, ruled that Corrales could keep his title.

Whether or not you agree with Mauricio Sulaiman’s rationale, the timing of his announcement was certainly awkward.

Haney’s mandatory is Spanish southpaw Sandor Martin (42-3, 15 KOs), a cutie best known for his 2021 upset of Mikey Garcia. A bout between Haney and Martin has the earmarks of a dull fight.

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In a Shocker, Ryan Garcia Confounds the Experts and Upsets Devin Haney

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Its good to be crazy. Like a fox.

Ryan “KingRy” Garcia knocked down WBC super lightweight titlist Devin Haney three times to remind everyone of his fighting abilities in winning by majority decision on Saturday.

“I just knew what I could do,” Garcia said.

Fans will not forget the lanky kid from Victorville, California now.

Garcia (25-1, 20 KOs) fooled everyone in playing crazy weeks before the fight, then showed shocking power to hand Haney (30-1, 15 KOs) his first loss as a professional at Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Haney’s WBC super lightweight title was not at stake for Garcia because he weighed three pounds over the limit.

After Garcia seemingly acting out of control on social media, Haney’s guard must have slipped in the first round during the first few seconds as Garcia connected with that hellish left hook and Haney, with a look of shock in his eyes, almost went down. He barely survived the first round.

“He caught me with it,” said Haney.

During the next few rounds, Haney proceeded to advance toward Garcia seemingly fully aware of the lethal left hook. He used feints and rights to score with a busier approach as Garcia seemed cocked and ready to counter with a left hook.

In the fourth round it seemed Haney was confident he had regained control of the fight, but every time he opened up with more than a two-punch combination Garcia reminded him whose hands were faster and more dangerous.

Though Garcia seldom jabbed he seemed bent on looking for the right moment to unleash his deadly left hook. And every time the Southern California fighter opened up with a combination he scored and Haney dare not exchange.

A few times Haney smiled as if signifying he escaped.

In the seventh round Haney looked to punish Garcia’s body and instead was met with a three-punch combination included a left hook to the chin and down went Haney slumped on the ground. He managed to beat the count and as soon as Garcia came within reach Haney wrapped his arms around him with a python grip. Despite the warnings by referee Harvey Dock, the fallen fighter would not release and Garcia impatiently fired a weak punch during the break. The referee deducted a point from Garcia though he could have deducted a point from Haney for not obeying his instructions to release his hold. Haney actually went down three times in the round but only one was counted by the referee.

From that point on Haney was very cautious but still looking to win by decision.

Though Garcia kept using a shoulder-roll defense that left his body exposed, he would retaliate with three and four punch combinations that usually Haney could defend against other fighters.. But Garcia’s blazing combinations were too fast to defend.

In the 10th round Haney looked to attack and was countered by Garcia’s right and a blinding left hook to the chin and another two blows that sent the former undisputed lightweight champion to the floor again.

It didn’t look good for Haney to survive.

Garcia walked into the 11th round still composed and never out-of-control He dared Haney to exchange and when within striking distance Garcia unleashed another lightning combination and down went Haney again with a defeated look.

Both fighters had fought each other as amateurs six times so there were no surprises between them. But Garcia’s power and speed were superior and that was the difference in a professional fight.

In the final round both were cautious with Garcia’s combination punching proving too dangerous for Haney to open up. Garcia celebrated early as the round ended confident of victory.

After 12 rounds Garcia was seen the victor by majority decision 112-112, 114-110, 115-109.

“You really thought I was crazy,” Garcia told the interviewer and the crowd. “You guys hated on me.”

Other Bouts

Arnold Barboza (30-0) won a curious split decision victory over United Kingdom’s Sean McComb (18-2) in a 10-round super lightweight fight. McComb’s long reach and busy southpaw style gave Barboza trouble. But he managed to win the fight though the crowd was not pleased.

Bektemir Melikuziev (14-1, 10 KOs) defeated France’s Pierre Dibombe (22-1-1) by technical decision after eight rounds due to a cut on his eye from an accidental head butt. It was a very competitive super middleweight fight.

Costa Rica’s David Jimenez (16-1, 11 KOs) outworked John “Scrappy Ramirez (13-1, 9 KOs) in a 12-round scrap to upset the Los Angeles based fighter. After a few close rounds Jimenez simply bullied his way inside and forced Ramirez against the ropes and unloaded his guns.

After 12 rounds two judges saw it 117-111 and 116-114 all for Jimenez.

“I’m a hard-working man from Cartago I come from nothing,” said Jimenez. “My corner told me I had to work inside.”

Charles Conwell (19-0, 14 KOs) stepped on the gas early with vicious body shots and uppercuts and blasted through the resilient Nathaniel Gallimore (22-8-1, 17 KOs) for several rounds. After a brutal fifth and sixth round the referee halted the one-side beating in favor of Conwell who was fighting for the first time under the Golden Boy banner.

Another winner was Sergiy Derevyanchenko (15-5) by decision over Vaughn Alexander (18-11-1) in a super middleweight match.

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