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Countdown To Mayweather-Pacquiao: What A Win Means For Pacquiao

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He’s been electrifying boxing fans for over a decade.

He’s won a world title in eight different weight divisions between 112 and 154. And in nine bouts against his three most fierce career rivals, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales and Juan Manuel Marquez, he’s compiled a 6-2-1 record. In addition to those three greats he stopped a faded Oscar De La Hoya, who was a multiple division title holder, destroyed the once beaten Miguel Cotto, who is the only Puerto Rican fighter in history to win a world title in four different weight classes. He also dominated a monster named Antonio Margarito, who was much physically bigger than he is. He defeated Shane Mosley when he was shot, but in his defense, Mosley was a three division title holder and he was able to put him down, not an easy feat. In his second to last fight he became the first to beat Timothy Bradley when he was probably the third-best welterweight in the division. That’s quite a run for a fighter who won his first professional title as a flyweight.

Those accomplishments alone pretty much guarantee Manny Pacquiao a place among the top pound for pound fighters in boxing history. On May 2nd he will fight another career rival, Floyd Mayweather 47-0 (26). Mayweather is considered by many to be the best pound for pound fighter in professional boxing. He’s won a world title in five different weight divisions and other than one fight (his first against Jose Luis Castillo who really did beat him in the ring) he hasn’t tasted defeat. Floyd loves to spew how he’s “the best ever,” something that rings hollow to many sophisticated boxing fans born before 1980. That said, Mayweather is an authentically great fighter and although I don’t consider him among the top 10-12 greatest welterweights in history, there’s really only about seven or eight on the list who he’d have absolutely no chance to beat and who would’ve beat him 10 times in 10 fights.

With Pacquiao’s overwhelming success moving up in weight over the last decade many have forgotten that Manny won his first title as a flyweight. This is 18 pounds south of where Mayweather captured his first world title as a junior lightweight. Today they both fight as welterweights with the difference being Manny has never fought at the 147 division limit; actually he’s never been over 145 fighting as a welterweight. Mayweather is the predominantly bigger framed man and he is greatly skilled. Floyd is taller, longer and physically stronger than Pacquiao. If Pacquiao were to beat Mayweather when they finally meet without much controversy attached, it would be a monumental feat. It would definitely be the most significant win scored by any fighter in over a decade, something I’m sure no one would argue. For a fighter who started as a flyweight to become unequivocally the top fighter in the welterweight division is literally off the chart.

Rating/ranking fighters in an historical context is so hard to do and it’s even more subjective than hard. Exactly where a Pacquiao win over Mayweather would place him among the all-time greats I guess mostly depends on where you see Mayweather fitting in. Manny being the first fighter to beat Mayweather would no doubt be the signature win of his stellar career and the one he’d be the most remembered for. The question is, just how high up the all-time pantheon does that elevate him? Among younger and casual fans Manny probably does better than cracking the top-15. However, I doubt that he would catapult that high in the eyes of boxing insiders and historians.

There have been three fights in the last 30 years in which an undefeated great or a champion who was perceived to be even more unbeatable than Mayweather is now lost as an overwhelming favorite. Two of the three winners are certifiable all-time greats and one has been almost forgotten.

On September 21, 1985, undefeated/undisputed light heavyweight champ Michael Spinks 27-0 won a 15-round unanimous decision over IBF heavyweight champ Larry Holmes 48-0. At the time Holmes 35, was on the decline and had some close calls in his last few fights just as Mayweather has. But Holmes weighed in at 223 pounds, that’s 48 pounds more than any fighter Spinks ever fought. The 29 year old Spinks was a 6-1 underdog and he out-boxed one of the greatest boxers in heavyweight history. After beating Holmes, Michael Spinks’ legacy exploded and deservedly so. Today he’s considered among the top five or six greatest light heavyweights in history – and beating Larry Holmes has a lot to do with that because no other light heavyweight ever scored or more significant win.

On April 6, 1987, former welterweight and junior middleweight champ Sugar Ray Leonard 33-1 won a 12-round split decision over undisputed middleweight champ Marvin Hagler 60-2-2. Leonard, 30, had one fight in five years going into the fight. Hagler, 32, had been champ for seven years and hadn’t lost a fight in 11 years before fighting Leonard – and they are thought to be hometown decisions to Philly stalwarts Bobby “Boogaloo” Watts and Willie “The Worm” Monroe. Hagler avenged both of those loses by knockout. His draw to Sugar Ray Seales is considered another hometown decision against him, and everyone who saw him fight Vito Antuofermo for the title thought he won, instead of the draw the fight was declared. A case can be made that in the ring Hagler was 66-0 going into the Leonard fight, and unlike Mayweather, he was avoided and ducked by other contenders instead of the opposite. Leonard was already considered an all-time great before he fought Hagler but beating him as a 4-1 underdog knocked his legendary status out of the park.

On May 15, 2004 WBA/WBC light heavyweight champ Antonio Tarver 21-2 TKO’d former light heavyweight/WBA heavyweight title holder Roy Jones 49-1 (the loss was by DQ to Montell Griffin the first time they met) in the second round of their rematch. Jones, 35, beat Tarver, 35, the first time they fought via a controversial decision. For their first fight Jones had to drop nearly 30 pounds to get down to light heavyweight again after beating John Ruiz for the WBA heavyweight title in his last fight. Roy was weakened by the weight loss and that seemed to hinder him against Tarver, yet he was still a 4-1 favorite for the rematch. Roy was in great shape for their grudge match. However, Tarver, after losing the first round, knocked Jones out beyond recuperation to win the titles he lost to him. Sadly, everyone forgets that if Jones retired at 34 after beating Ruiz he may have gone down among the top five pound for pound fighters in history. So it’s fair to say that Roy’s reputation of being unbeatable easily exceeds Mayweather’s today. But due to his sub-standard performances after losing to Tarver, his perception of the true great he was has been forgotten.

When Michael Spinks beat Larry Holmes, Larry was riding a 12-year undefeated streak and 21 of his 48 wins were posted in title bouts. Mayweather is unbeaten in 19 years and 24 of his 47 wins occurred in title bouts. If Pacquiao can beat Mayweather, his career should get the same injection historically that Spinks’ did.

Sugar Ray Leonard didn’t need to beat Hagler to justify his legacy, but boy did winning their fight help. Many were not only sure Marvin was going to win their fight, they thought he was going to seriously injure and hurt Ray…..yet he was never on the verge of being in trouble during the fight. Pacquiao beating Mayweather wouldn’t and shouldn’t rank near Leonard beating Hagler.

Antonio Tarver beating Roy Jones, when he did, should get more props than it does. The problem is, neither of them looked like all world fighters again after facing each other. Actually, Tarver beating Jones the way he did in their rematch is much more impressive than Pacquiao beating Mayweather, if he does, because Roy’s record at the time was more impressive than Floyd’s is. The only way that’s debatable is if Manny devastates Floyd the way Tarver did Jones. That said, Pacquiao, if he beats Mayweather, will get much more credit than Tarver did for beating Jones.

So if Manny Pacquiao beats Floyd Mayweather as an almost 3-1 underdog, I say he earns a place among the top 20/25 greatest pound for pound fighters in boxing history. Some will think that’s not high enough and they’ll have him closer to the top-10. However, I believe what Spinks, Leonard and maybe even Tarver accomplished has to be considered a more Herculean feat.

Then again as I said, it depends on two things 1) how highly you think of Mayweather and 2) it depends on who you ask.

One thing is for sure, when you look back at Pacquiao’s career, you see some highs and lows, but after every low, he has risen to even greater heights.

A win over Mayweather would once again put him at the pinnacle of his career and cement his legacy forever. On that, everyone can agree.

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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The Wednesday night bi-monthly series of fights on the ProBox TV platform is the best deal in boxing; the livestream is free with no strings attached! Tonight’s episode was headlined by a super bantamweight match between San Antonio’s Ramon Cardenas and Eduardo Ramirez who brought a caravan of rooters from his hometown in Guaymas, Sonora, Mexico.

Cardenas, coached by Joel Diaz, entered the contest ranked #4 by the WBA. He was expected to handle Ramirez with little difficulty, but this was a close, tactical fight through eight frames when lightning struck in the form of a left hook to the liver from Cardenas. Ramirez went down on one knee and wasn’t able to beat the count. It was as if Cardenas summoned the ghost of Micky Ward who had a penchant for terminating fights with the same punch that arrived out of the blue.

The official time was 1:37 of round nine. Cardenas improved to 25-1 with his14th win inside the distance. Ramirez, who was stopped in the opening round by Nick “Wrecking” Ball in London in his lone previous fight outside Mexico, falls to 23-3-3.

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In an upset, Tijuana super welterweight Damian Sosa won a split decision over previously undefeated Marques Valle, a local area fighter who was stepping up in class in his first 10-round go. Sosa was the aggressor, repeatedly backing his taller opponent into the ropes where Valle was unable to get good leverage behind his punches.

The 25-year-old Valle, managed by the influential David McWater, was the house fighter. This was his 10th appearance in this building. He brought a 10-0 (7) record and was hoping to emulate the success of his younger brother Dominic Valle who scored a second-round stoppage of his opponent in this ring two weeks ago, improving to 9-0. But Sosa, who brought a 24-2 record, proved to be a bridge too high.

The judges had it 97-93 and 96-94 for the Tijuana invader and a disgraceful 98-92 for the house fighter.

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In a fight whose abrupt ending would be echoed by the main event, 34-year-old SoCal featherweight Ronny Rios, now training in Las Vegas, returned to the ring after a 22-month hiatus and scored a fifth-round stoppage over Nicolas Polanco of the Dominican Republic.

A three-punch combo climaxed by a left hook to the liver took the breath out of Polanco who slumped to his knees and was counted out. A two-time world title challenger, Rios advanced to 34-4 (17 KOs). Polanco, 34, declined to 21-6-1. The official time was 0:54 of round five.

The next ProBox show (Wednesday, May 8) will have an international cast with fighters from Kazakhstan, Japan, Mongolia, and the United Kingdom. In the main event, Liverpool’s Robbie Davies Jr will make his U.S. debut against the California-based Kazakh Sergey Lipinets.

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Haney-Garcia Redux with the Focus on Harvey Dock

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Saturday’s skirmish between Ryan Garcia and WBC super lightweight champion Devin Haney was a messy affair, and yet a hugely entertaining fight fused with great drama. In the aftermath, Garcia and Haney were celebrated – the former for fooling all the experts and the latter for his gallant performance in a losing effort – but there were only brickbats for the third man in the ring, referee Harvey Dock.

Devin Haney was plainly ahead heading into the seventh frame when there was a sudden turnabout when Garcia put him on the canvas with his vaunted left hook. Moments later, Dock deducted a point from Garcia for a late punch coming out of a break. The deduction forced a temporary cease-fire that gave Haney a few precious seconds to regain his faculties. Before the round was over, Haney was on the deck twice more but these were ruled slips.

The deduction, which effectively negated the knockdown, struck many as too heavy-handed as Dock hadn’t previously issued a warning for this infraction. Moreover, many thought he could have taken a point away from Haney for excessive clinching. As for Haney’s second and third trips to the canvas in round seven, they struck this reporter – watching at home – as borderline, sufficient to give referee Dock the benefit of the doubt.

In a post-fight interview, Ryan Garcia faulted the referee for denying him the satisfaction of a TKO. “At the end of the day, Harvey Dock, I think he was tripping,” said Garcia. “He could have stopped that fight.”

Those that played the rounds proposition, placing their coin on the “under,” undoubtedly felt the same way.

The internet lit up with comments assailing Dock’s competence and/or his character. Some of the ponderings were whimsical, but they were swamped by the scurrilous screeching of dolts who find a conspiracy under every rock.

Stephen A. Smith, reputedly America’s highest-paid TV sports personality, was among those that felt a need to weigh-in: “This referee is absolutely terrible….Unreal! Horrible officiating,” tweeted Stephen A whose primary area of expertise is basketball.

Harvey Dock

Dock fought as an amateur and had one professional fight, winning a four-round decision over a fellow novice on a show at a non-gaming resort in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania. He says that as an amateur he was merely average, but he was better than that, a New Jersey and regional amateur champion in 1993 and 1994 while a student New Jersey’s Essex County Community College where he majored in journalism.

A passionate fan of Sugar Ray Leonard, he started officiating amateur fights in 1998 and six years later, at age 32, had his first documented action at the professional level, working low-level cards in New Jersey. The top boxing referees, to a far greater extent than the top judges, had long apprenticeships, having worked their way up from the boonies and Dock is no exception.

Per boxrec, Haney vs Garcia was Harvey Dock’s 364th assignment in the pros and his forty-second world title fight. Some of those title fights were title in name only, they weren’t even main events, but, bit by bit, more lucrative offerings started coming his way.

On May 13, 2023, Dock worked his first fights in Nevada, a 4-rounder and then a 12-rounder on a card at the Cosmopolitan topped by the 140-pound title fight between Rolly Romero and Ismael Barroso. It was the first time that this reporter got to watch Dock in the flesh.

Ironically (in hindsight), the card would be remembered for the actions of a referee, in this case Tony Weeks who handled the main event. Barroso was winning the fight on all three cards when Weeks stepped in and waived it off in the ninth round after Romero cornered Barroso against the ropes and let loose a barrage of punches, none of which landed cleanly. Few “premature stoppages” were ever as garishly, nay ghoulishly, premature.

With all the brickbats raining down on Weeks, I felt a need to tamp down the noise by diverting attention away from Tony Weeks and toward Harvey Dock and took to the TSS Forum to share my thoughts. Referencing the 12-rounder, a robust junior welterweight affair between Batyr Akhmedov and Kenneth Sims Jr, I noted that Dock’s Las Vegas debut went smoothly. He glided effortlessly around the ring, making him inconspicuous, the mark of a good referee. (This post ran on May 15, two days after the fight.)

Folks at the Nevada State Athletic Commission were also paying attention. Dock was back in Las Vegas the following week to referee the lightweight title fight between Devin Haney and Vasyl Lomachenko and before the year was out, he would be tabbed to referee the biggest non-heavyweight fight of the year, the July 29 match in Las Vegas between Terence Crawford and Errol Spence Jr.

The Haney-Garcia fight wasn’t Harvey Dock’s best hour, I’ll concede that, but a closer look at his full body of work informs us that he is an outstanding referee.

While the Haney-Garcia bout was in progress, WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman threw everyone a curve ball, tweeting on “X” that Devin Haney would keep his title if he lost the fight. Everyone, including the TV commentators, was under the impression that the title would become vacant in the event that Haney lost.

Sulaiman cited the precedent of Corrales-Castillo II.

FYI: The Corrales-Castillo rematch, originally scheduled for June 3, 2005 and aborted on the day prior when Castillo failed to make weight, finally came off on Oct. 8 of that year, notwithstanding the fact that Castillo failed to make weight once again, scaling three-and-a-half pounds above the lightweight limit. He knocked out Corrales in the fourth round with a left hook that Las Vegas Review-Journal boxing writer Kevin Iole, alluding to the movie “Blazing Saddles,” described as Mongo-esque (translation: the punch would have knocked out a horse). After initially insisting on a rubber match, which had scant chance of happening, WBC president Jose Sulaiman, Mauricio’s late father, ruled that Corrales could keep his title.

Whether or not you agree with Mauricio Sulaiman’s rationale, the timing of his announcement was certainly awkward.

Haney’s mandatory is Spanish southpaw Sandor Martin (42-3, 15 KOs), a cutie best known for his 2021 upset of Mikey Garcia. A bout between Haney and Martin has the earmarks of a dull fight.

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In a Shocker, Ryan Garcia Confounds the Experts and Upsets Devin Haney

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Its good to be crazy. Like a fox.

Ryan “KingRy” Garcia knocked down WBC super lightweight titlist Devin Haney three times to remind everyone of his fighting abilities in winning by majority decision on Saturday.

“I just knew what I could do,” Garcia said.

Fans will not forget the lanky kid from Victorville, California now.

Garcia (25-1, 20 KOs) fooled everyone in playing crazy weeks before the fight, then showed shocking power to hand Haney (30-1, 15 KOs) his first loss as a professional at Barclays Center in Brooklyn.

Haney’s WBC super lightweight title was not at stake for Garcia because he weighed three pounds over the limit.

After Garcia seemingly acting out of control on social media, Haney’s guard must have slipped in the first round during the first few seconds as Garcia connected with that hellish left hook and Haney, with a look of shock in his eyes, almost went down. He barely survived the first round.

“He caught me with it,” said Haney.

During the next few rounds, Haney proceeded to advance toward Garcia seemingly fully aware of the lethal left hook. He used feints and rights to score with a busier approach as Garcia seemed cocked and ready to counter with a left hook.

In the fourth round it seemed Haney was confident he had regained control of the fight, but every time he opened up with more than a two-punch combination Garcia reminded him whose hands were faster and more dangerous.

Though Garcia seldom jabbed he seemed bent on looking for the right moment to unleash his deadly left hook. And every time the Southern California fighter opened up with a combination he scored and Haney dare not exchange.

A few times Haney smiled as if signifying he escaped.

In the seventh round Haney looked to punish Garcia’s body and instead was met with a three-punch combination included a left hook to the chin and down went Haney slumped on the ground. He managed to beat the count and as soon as Garcia came within reach Haney wrapped his arms around him with a python grip. Despite the warnings by referee Harvey Dock, the fallen fighter would not release and Garcia impatiently fired a weak punch during the break. The referee deducted a point from Garcia though he could have deducted a point from Haney for not obeying his instructions to release his hold. Haney actually went down three times in the round but only one was counted by the referee.

From that point on Haney was very cautious but still looking to win by decision.

Though Garcia kept using a shoulder-roll defense that left his body exposed, he would retaliate with three and four punch combinations that usually Haney could defend against other fighters.. But Garcia’s blazing combinations were too fast to defend.

In the 10th round Haney looked to attack and was countered by Garcia’s right and a blinding left hook to the chin and another two blows that sent the former undisputed lightweight champion to the floor again.

It didn’t look good for Haney to survive.

Garcia walked into the 11th round still composed and never out-of-control He dared Haney to exchange and when within striking distance Garcia unleashed another lightning combination and down went Haney again with a defeated look.

Both fighters had fought each other as amateurs six times so there were no surprises between them. But Garcia’s power and speed were superior and that was the difference in a professional fight.

In the final round both were cautious with Garcia’s combination punching proving too dangerous for Haney to open up. Garcia celebrated early as the round ended confident of victory.

After 12 rounds Garcia was seen the victor by majority decision 112-112, 114-110, 115-109.

“You really thought I was crazy,” Garcia told the interviewer and the crowd. “You guys hated on me.”

Other Bouts

Arnold Barboza (30-0) won a curious split decision victory over United Kingdom’s Sean McComb (18-2) in a 10-round super lightweight fight. McComb’s long reach and busy southpaw style gave Barboza trouble. But he managed to win the fight though the crowd was not pleased.

Bektemir Melikuziev (14-1, 10 KOs) defeated France’s Pierre Dibombe (22-1-1) by technical decision after eight rounds due to a cut on his eye from an accidental head butt. It was a very competitive super middleweight fight.

Costa Rica’s David Jimenez (16-1, 11 KOs) outworked John “Scrappy Ramirez (13-1, 9 KOs) in a 12-round scrap to upset the Los Angeles based fighter. After a few close rounds Jimenez simply bullied his way inside and forced Ramirez against the ropes and unloaded his guns.

After 12 rounds two judges saw it 117-111 and 116-114 all for Jimenez.

“I’m a hard-working man from Cartago I come from nothing,” said Jimenez. “My corner told me I had to work inside.”

Charles Conwell (19-0, 14 KOs) stepped on the gas early with vicious body shots and uppercuts and blasted through the resilient Nathaniel Gallimore (22-8-1, 17 KOs) for several rounds. After a brutal fifth and sixth round the referee halted the one-side beating in favor of Conwell who was fighting for the first time under the Golden Boy banner.

Another winner was Sergiy Derevyanchenko (15-5) by decision over Vaughn Alexander (18-11-1) in a super middleweight match.

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