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Styles Make Fights, And Forrest Knew How To Beat Mosley

Frank Lotierzo

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With the unforeseen and tragic passing of Vernon Forrest this past weekend, it's hard not to think about how he performed in the two signature bouts of his career, versus undefeated Shane Mosley. Also, we recall how he was avoided by both Felix Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya when they held two of the alphabet welterweight title belts. Forrest had been ranked near the top of the welterweight division for quite some time while Oscar and Felix were making safe title defenses insuring nothing would upset their pending upcoming showdown.

Due to some unlucky circumstances that he couldn't control, Forrest had to wait for the second most anticipated welterweight championship bout in history, De La Hoya vs. Trinidad (Sept. 1999) (Leonard vs. Hearns I was the most) to take place before he could finally get his overdue shot. Had it not been for Trinidad moving up to junior middleweight after taking the WBC welterweight title from De La Hoya, and then Shane Mosley beating De La Hoya (June 2000) to recapture it after Trinidad vacated it, Forrest would've been frozen out of the title picture even longer.

Speaking of Mosley, as great as he is/was, he could never quite figure out how to adjust and navigate Forrest. Granted, a lot of that had to do with size and physics, but just as much of it had to do with Vernon knowing how to fight Shane. On top of that, it seemed since Forrest beat Mosley during the box-offs during the 1992 Olympic Trials he seemed so sure of himself fighting Mosley. However, in all fairness to Mosley, Shane didn't approach Forrest for their first fight with anything that looked like fear or trepidation and did go right at Vernon in the first round.

For Mosley, fighting Forrest was a real catch-22. Shane likes to fight as the counter-puncher looking to draw his opponent to him and then beat him with a flurry of punches right before or after his opponent lets his hands go. When fighting an opponent who Mosley feels he can over-power, he'll push the fight behind his power jab and look to come over the top with his overhand right thus opening up his opponent for his inside hooks and uppercuts–a beautiful execution to watch when the opponent has nothing to refute him with.

Enter Vernon “The Viper” Forrest.

Forrest had an answer for everything Mosley tried and posed some questions stylistically that he could never quite answer. Forrest's long jab aimed between Mosley's sternum and chin foiled Shane's sporadic advances. Although Mosley tried to give Forrest some head movement he was upright too much and was almost a sitting duck for Forrest's jab, which really put Mosley in a fix. Because when he moved back and away, it was Forrest who was controlling the tempo and distance. With Mosley on the defense he's forced to either take almost blind rushes at Forrest or try to counter him if he misses. The problem with that was Forrest is throwing his long straight jab that put Mosley too far out of range to counter him back. The other problem with Mosley being forced to move away from Vernon's jab is, whenever he stops, here comes Forrest's straight and accurate right hand to the chin and head.

When Mosley tried to adjust and somehow stabilize the fight with his quick hands and flurries, he ran into another problem. That being to keep Forrest off, he had to try and put a little hurt on him hoping to hold him off. To do that, Shane had to take the lead and attempt to bring the fight to Forrest. Only this left him open and vulnerable to Forrest's jabs and right hands on the way in, and every time he tried to get low he was met by Forrest's left uppercuts at center-ring and right uppercuts when he was cornered or against the ropes.

The other problem Forrest provided for Mosley was that he took Mosley's jab away. With Forrest's jab getting there first, Mosley was not only knocked out of punching range for his left, but he had to lunge and reach with his right hand. Forrest was able to see this develop and was successful at catching  Mosley with his own right hands and forcing him to hold or break off the exchange. By Forrest forcing Mosley to reach with his right hand, he basically took Shane's Sunday punch out of the fight and lessened the odds of him turning the fight with one shot. Therefore he basically had Mosley looking to use the ring to survive and hope Forrest would make a mistake and try to catch lightning in a bottle if he did.

Due to Forrest having the answer and punch assortment for anything Mosley attempted to do, Shane's work rate decreased. Forrest's long arms and straight punches slowly over the course of the fight sapped Mosley a little mentally. Once Forrest was being met with less resistance, he started going down to Mosley's body with sweeping left-hooks that pretty much took everything out of him physically and slowed him to a walk. Due to Mosley's gameness and toughness, he attempted to fight back in flurries, but to no avail and went on to lose a one sided decision and his welterweight title.

In the rematch Mosley gave Forrest more head and shoulder feints and tried to sucker him by jumping in with lead left-hooks. Sometimes he caught Forrest and other times he missed by a considerable amount due to Forrest knocking him out of range with his straight punches to his head and body. During the second bout Mosley moved his feet more and tried to bluff Forrest into not throwing, hoping to get off first himself. This was about the most effective change Mosley made strategically, and via doing such, Mosley shook Forrest a few times with his overhand rights to the head. However, when all was said and done, Forrest's straight punching and size kept Mosley from taking all the necessary chances he needed to in order to pull the fight out. The Forrest-Mosley rematch was closer than the first encounter between them, but it was another clear win for Forrest.

Ironically, in his first defense of the welterweight title he won from Mosley, Forrest would defend it in January 2003 against a fighter named Ricardo Mayorga,  who wasn't on his level as a boxer, but had his number. In their first meeting Forrest was totally thrown by the hard punching and wild swinging Mayorga. He was hurt early in the fight and the crude Mayorga fed off of the seed of doubt he put into Forrest's mind, thus leading him to turn up the pressure and ultimately stopping Forrest in the third round.

In the rematch six months later, Forrest tried to box more and for the first six rounds he looked as if he was unsure of himself and questioning whether or not he could handle the unorthodox Mayorga. In fact Forrest fought Mayorga for the first half of their rematch the same way Roy Jones fought the entire rubber match versus Antonio Tarver. In other words, Forrest was so consumed with not getting stopped that he fought with the purpose of not getting caught.

However, somewhere during the middle of the fight Forrest saw through Mayorga's shtick and instead of trying to even the score via a knockout win, he started using his reach and began peppering Mayorga with lefts and rights on the way in. Although he never really tried to follow up his clean one-twos with any finishing hooks, he did just enough to keep Mayorga from really trying to assert himself. Although he didn't win the fight, Forrest did enough to convince one judge that he didn't lose as Mayorga was awarded a majority decision and kept the title.

In a twist of fate, Forrest rival Shane Mosley would knock Mayorga out five years later in a fight that would earn him a title shot that he would go on to win. Once again the most true saying in boxing, “Styles Make Fights,” holds true.

Forrest owned Mosley, Mayorga owned Forrest, and Mosley owned Mayorga!

Vernon Forrest was an outstanding fighter who fought the best of the best of his era. He will be forever remembered as fighter who beat Shane Mosley when many considered Mosley to be the best pound for pound fighter in boxing. He will be greatly missed as a fighter and man.

Frank Lotierzo can be contacted at GlovedFist@Gmail.com

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UFC 108 Rashad Evans vs. Thiago Silva

David A. Avila

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Former champion Rashad Evans meets Brazil’s venerable Thiago Silva in a non-title belt that can lead to a return match with the current champ, but first things first.

Evans (15-1-1) and Silva (14-1) meet in Ultimate Fighting Championship 108 in a light heavyweight bout on Saturday Jan. 2, at the MGM Grand Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. A win by either fighter could result in a world title bid. The fight card is being shown on pay-per-view television.

Events can change quickly in the Octagon and anybody can beat anybody in the 205-pound weight division. Just ask Silva or Evans.

Silva and Evans are both experienced and can vouch firsthand about the capriciousness of fighting in MMA and especially as a light heavyweight. On one day this man can beat that man and on another day, that man can beat this man. It can make you absolutely daffy.

Evans, 30, is the former UFC light heavyweight world champion who only defended his title on one occasion and lost by vicious knockout to current champion Lyoto Machida of Brazil. It’s the only defeat on his record.

Silva, 27, is a well-rounded MMA fighter from Sao Paolo, Brazil who is versed in jujitsu, Muy Thai and boxing. He can end a fight quickly in a choke hold just as easily as with a kick or a punch. His only loss came to who else: Machida.

Evans and Silva know a win can push open the door to a rematch with current UFC light heavyweight champion Machida.

“A win against Rashad would put me in the track against Lyoto,” said Silva, in a telephone conference call. “That's what – what I want to do.”

When Silva fought Machida the two Brazilians were both undefeated and feared in the MMA world. The fight took place in Las Vegas and with one second remaining in the first round a perfectly timed punch knocked Silva unconscious.

“I was humbled big time, man,” says Silva who fought Machida in January 2009. “I learned a lot from that fight.  I think I can correct the mistakes from that fight, not overlooking anything else right now, but just I want to get the chance to fight him again.”

For Evans it was a different circumstance. The upstate New Yorker held the UFC title and was defending it after stopping then champion Forrest Griffin by knockout. Still, many felt Machida was far too technically versed. Evans was stopped brutally in the second round.

“I've made it a point to not – to not get distracted on what I want to do, because you know Thiago (Silva) is a very hungry fighter,” said Evans who has not fought since losing the title to Machida last May. “My focus is just on Thiago so much.  You know I don't want to overlook him, you know, not even a little bit.”

Dana White, president of UFC, says the winner of this fight could conceivably fight Machida in the near future. Evans and especially Silva are motivated by the open window.

“I learned a lot from that fight. I think I can correct the mistakes from that fight,” says Silva. “Not overlooking anything else right now, but I just want to get the chance to fight him again.”

What a prize. The winner gets to face the man who beat him: Machida.

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Paul Malignaggi Explains Why He Thinks Manny Has Used PEDs

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In theory and in practice I am vehemently opposed to people tossing out unfounded allegations against someone. Supply evidence, then we can talk. But saying someone is using steroids, or EPO, or HGH, based on a theory, or your gut instinct….I have to consider, what if the allegation were thrown at me, and I was 100% innocent. I'd be mightily irked. And so too would you be.

Manny Pacquaio has been hammered from all sides with folks insinuating and coming right out with the contention that they think he's been cheating, that he's been using illegal performance enhancers to give him an edge in competition. Floyd Mayweather Sr, Paulie Malignaggi, Miguel Cotto and Kermit Cintron have either accused Manny, or insinuated that he's been using PEDs. One has to wonder, where's all this smoke coming from? Is it possible that there's fire lurking? That these folks aren't just lobbing unfounded barbs at Manny, that their allegations and hints aren't just sour grapes, or posturing, or a ploy to lure Manny into a fight?

By and large, there hasn't been much in the way of coverage from the standpoint of: what if Manny is using PEDs, or was using PEDs? I think that is rightly so; I'd be more comfortable if none of us trafficked in the innuendo and speculation, and worked within the realm of evidence, and facts. But it's out there, and a topic of conversation and speculation. Perhaps it's a symptom and sign of the times we live in…

TSS reached out to Malignaggi, just off a solid win in his Dec. 12 rematch with Juan Diaz. The Brooklyn-based pugilist has never been shy about speaking his peace (I picture him exiting his mom's womb and barking at the labor and delivery crew to get the room cleaned up, stat!), and he shared with TSS what he bases his allegations, which he's careful to label opinion, upon.

First off, Malignaggi is of the belief that if the Pacquiao-Mayweather negotiations are at a fatal impasse, Yuri Foreman, and not he, will get the coveted date with Pacquiao. Malignaggi has been mentioned as stand-in for Mayweather.

He started off by insisting that ” I have nothing against Pacquiao” but then went from mellow to madman in a 30 second span.

First off, the boxer wonders why Team Pacquiao isn't going after big-time newspapers, with deep pocketed owners, for libel, for insinuating that Pacquiao is drug cheat.

“If Pacquiao's so sue happy, why not sue the New York Daily News?” he asked. “Maybe they know the steroid allegations are true.”

By and large, Malignaggi thinks it is impossible, utterly impossible, for a boxer to put on 15 or more pounds between March 15, 2008, when he fought Juan Manuel Marquez and weighed 129 pounds at the weigh in, and Nov. 14, 2009 when he fought Miguel Cotto and was 144 pounds at the weigh in, and more on fight night.

“It's not natural looking,” Malignaggi said. But, I countered, what if Manny's supremely blessed, that unlike some other fighters who go up in weight, and look a bit bloated, and lack definition, he's just a special creature?

“He's not supremely blessed,” Maliganngi said. “I know body builders. They can't put on 17 or whatever pounds of muscle in a year. It's not doable, in my opinion. These are my speculations, my opinions based on certain factual evidence. Does his weight gain look normal to you? And his head looks like it has blown up in size, too.”

I offered to Malignaggi that perhaps we should be attacking the system, if we believe it to be lacking, rather than the individual.

“We can blame the system a little bit, but if you were Manny, wouldn't you want to leave no doubt? Or speculation?” said Maliganngi, who believes that by not agreeing to the terms set forth by Team Mayweather, and opposing a blood test within 30 days of the bout, Pacquaio appears guilty.

Pacquiao has agreed to take 3 blood tests: the first during the week of the kickoff news conference in early January, the second random test to be conducted no later than 30 days before the fight, and a final test after the bout. A video making the rounds from the HBO 24/7 series shows Pacquiao submitting to a blood test two or three weeks before he was due to fight Ricky Hatton, and that has cast doubt on Team Pacquiao's stance that Manny is disinclined to get a blood test too close to a bout, for fear he may be weakened. Originally, it was reported in error that that test was taken 14 days before the Hatton bout, but subsequent reports pegged the test as being taken 24 days before the scrap. Malignaggi feels Pacquiao has been caught lying, that the report from Team Pacquiao that he “has difficulty taking blood” is a cover story. “Why is he effing lying?” Malignaggi said, heatedly.

The New Yorker doesn't believe too many fighters in the lighter weight classes are using PEDs, but thinks usage isn't uncommon in the heavyweight division. “That's hard to do and make weight,” he said.

The question is asked of Malignaggi: why does the issue make him so steamed?

“I don't like cheaters,” he said. “This is not baseball. You're not just hitting home runs. You have to worry about peoples' lives. Miguel Cotto in my opinion has been beaten by two cheaters. Manny if he's cheating is taking away from guys who are doing things the right way. His team is reneging on their words.”

And what if you're wrong, Malignaggi? What if Manny is clean, and you are hurting his rep with these allegations?

“I bet everything I own that I'm not,” he said. “But we'll never find out. Hey, I would take the test in a heartbeat. I would want people to know I'm clean. He wants to leave doubts!?? His entire legacy is being questioned, he's willing to hurt his legacy and leave $40 million on the table?”

Maliganngi, after reminding TSS that he was correct in predicting he'd be gamed by judges in the first fight with Diaz, insisted that he isn't singling out Pacquiao for a personal vendetta. “”I've never had anything against him. But that's enough now. I call it like I see it.”

What about those who'd say he's just trying to anger Pacquiao, to lure him into a fight?

“No. I expected he'd take the random tests to get this fight. No way I thought he'd throw away everything. That blew me away. It was cool to have my name mentioned.”

Malignaggi thinks the boxing media has dropped the ball, and not exercised due diligence in examining the possibility that Manny has used PEDs.

“I understand most people like Manny, and not Floyd. Just cause that's the case doesn't mean Manny might not be cheating. It's nothing to do with him personally. But I call a spade a spade. Too many people avoid the possibilities because Manny's a likable person. He's got that front, his country loves him. That front works like crazy. Floyd plays the bad guy, but he's natural. Just don't downplay the fact that Manny might be cheating. You have to open your eyes and at least be willing to look at it. This is bigger than me. The fact that the fight is not being made, you have to question the integrity of Pacquiao.”

Malignaggi then offered an analogy to the Manny-refusing-to-be-subjected-to multiple-random-drug-tests prior-to-a-fight-with-Mayweather deal. “It reminds me of the drunk guy who's pulled over at 3 AM. He has a field sobriety test, the cop knows he's drunk, he looks and acts drunk. But he refuses a breathalyzer test. That don't mean the cop don't haul him to the police station.”

I reiterate…I don't think anyone should be casting aspersions based on circumstantial evidence. But with so many people ganging up on Manny, I think fight fans are owed some details on why people are accusing Pacman of using PEDs.

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Ten Boxing Wishes For 2010

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As 2009 comes to a close, one reflects on what went well and what went wrong during the year in boxing. There were many highlights. Pacquiao vs. Cotto and Showtime’s Super Six tournament were part of the best that boxing had to offer. But there were some low points too therefore the industry has some work to do in order to keep generating fans. Here are some suggestions for 2010:

10. Better pay per view cards

Paying 40 to 50 bucks to watch the main event gets old real quick. Why do we have to sit through a horrible under-card to get to the main course? It’s like being fed spam appetizers before the Thanksgiving turkey. It seems that the pay per view promoters just don’t get it. Are they watching what they put on or do they only watch the “big fight” as everyone else is slowly being conditioned to do so?

9. Time to make Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. fight

Okay, I understand he’s the son of one of the greatest fighters that ever lived. But he’s had 42 fights against low to mid level competition and has never managed to look spectacular. It’s time to throw the 23 year old out of the nest to see if he can fly. My suggestion is a fight against Sergio Mora or maybe even Yuri Foreman. Neither of these guys can punch. They may outbox Junior but they won’t totally humiliate him.

8. No more ridiculous Pay Per View mismatches

Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez should’ve never been made. It was a ridiculous fight when it was announced and it was more ridiculous when it took place. Unable to bring Manny Pacquiao to the bargaining table for a third match against Juan Manuel Marquez, someone figured that pairing up the 135 pound champion against a natural 147 pounder like Mayweather would be a great idea. The pay per view generated over a million buys but the fact that millions of people were treated to an incredibly boring mismatch is what’s truly worrisome. I can guarantee you one thing about this card. The sport of boxing lost fans once the show was over and done with. Talk about short term thinking.

7. Chris “The Nightmare” Arreola shows up for a fight in amazing shape

It was painful to see Chris Arreola take a beating from the Ukrainian giant, Vitali Klitscho. The champion certainly earned his “Dr. Ironfist” moniker as he plowed his powerful shots into the former #1 WBC heavyweight contender’s face. He reddened and bloodied the young Mexican American with an assortment of weapons and foot movement seldom seen on a six foot seven inch heavyweight. Arreola was brave and unrelenting in battle. He never stopped coming forward and took chances when he could. His work in the ring at the Staples Center in downtown Los Angeles wasn’t the problem. Where Arreola let himself down was outside the ring. His unwillingness to condition himself into a finely tuned athlete cost him certain immortality as the first ever heavyweight champion of Mexican descent. Arreola has the heart and skills but it was his mental fortitude that broke down. Anyone who’s followed the Riverside fighter knows that his best weight is somewhere in the 230 pound range. It certainly isn’t at the 252 pounds he registered on the scale at the Staples Center.  Those fifteen to twenty extra pounds might have made all the difference in the world. Maybe he would’ve been a little quicker, maybe he could’ve sustained a faster pace in order to tire out the champion. In his most recent fight against Brian Minto, Arreola weighed in at a career high 263. It looks like “The Nightmare” isn’t willing to change for anyone. At this pace, the only nightmares he’ll be providing will be to the management of Hometown Buffets all across Riverside.  Just kidding “Nightmare”!

6. More respect for the lighter weights

Real boxing fans know that the most exciting fighters in the sport are usually found toiling in weight divisions south of 154 pounds. Pacquiao, Cotto, Juan Manuel Marquez, Edwin Valero, Israel Vazquez, Juan Ma Lopez, Vic Darchinyan, Rafael Marquez and countless others have been the real driving force behind this sport. It’s those great fighters that have made boxing fanatics out of casual fans. The heavyweights may get all the money and glory but it’s the little guys who make the sport shine and it’s time they received greater compensation. It’s dismaying to think that a mediocre heavyweight can make three or four times as much as the great Rafael Marquez.

5. An American Heavyweight champion

Speaking of heavyweights, two Americans tried and failed at dethroning Vitali Klitschko this year. Both Kevin Johnson and Chris Arreola did their best to wrestle the belt away from “Dr. Klitschko” but came up short since they were easily outclassed. What happened to the great American Heavyweight? Where’s our new Joe Frazier or Ali? Even a new Gerry Cooney or a Ken Norton would do at this point. I’ve got a feeling that the only way we’re going to see an American champion is if Klitschko retires. My money is on Arreola. Although undisciplined and rough outside the ring, he’s got tons (no pun intended) of natural talent. He’s without a doubt the most talented American heavyweight on the scene.

4. More ShoBox

The Showtime Cable network gave us the best boxing on TV for the price of a cable television subscription. Their ShoBox series has been a proven hit for Senior VP of Sports Programming Ken Hershman. The concept is simple yet brilliant. Match up two up and comers with great records and let’s see what happens. Sometimes the results are surprising. Many have passed the ShoBox test and went on to bigger and better things. Others have been exposed as having padded records and eventually their careers stall and take a dive.

3. More safety in Mexico so I can attend a show without a gun battle breaking out

Having lived near the Tijuana border all my life I’m dismayed at the war zone that the city has evolved into. Every day there are reports of shootings fueled by the drug war trade. Believe it or not, there was a time when Tijuana was safe and most wouldn’t have thought twice about crossing the border for some seafood and nightlife. No more. Having covered several boxing cards on Revolucion Avenue many years ago, I got a taste of just how important the sport is to Mexican fans. It’s also important to me but not that important. For now I’ll stick to covering shows at the Pechanga Casino and in the less dangerous city of L.A. I never thought I’d say that.

2. Pac Man vs. Mayweather

This is the fight everyone wants to see. Seeing how Mayweather dominated Pac Man’s arch enemy, Juan Manuel Marquez, you have to wonder if the Filipino can handle Lil’ Floyd’s speed and size. One thing is for sure, betting against Pacquiao doesn’t usually work out for me. It never has. There’s no future in it. So if the fight gets done it’s Pacquiao by TKO in ten.

1. And finally

One final wish is reserved for all the readers of TheSweetScience.com I wish you all a healthy and happy 2010. Thank you for your continued loyalty to the site. It’s very much appreciated.

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