Potential Mayweather vs. Golovkin Bout Is Only Legit If Contested At 160

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9 years ago

May 21, 2015

With the Mayweather-Pacquiao fiasco behind us, at least as far as the fight goes, and Gennady Golovkin fresh off his impressive stoppage win over Willie Monroe Jr., there has been some noise pertaining to a potential Mayweather-Golovkin clash.

Golovkin is slowly but surely becoming the must-see fighter in boxing because of his attacking style and two handed power. Now, there can be no mistaking Gennady’s credentials, however, Sergey Kovalev has been every bit as impressive, he’s more versatile and he’s clearly beaten better opposition due to the fact that the light heavyweight division is currently much deeper than the middleweight division.

Back to the Mayweather-Golovkin chatter. Yes, it would be an incredibly intriguing matchup. No, the interest wouldn’t be as big as it was for Mayweather-Pacquiao because Golovkin 33-0 (30) is not as well-known or nearly the world superstar that Pacquiao is. However, the drama would be much greater because Mayweather 48-0 (26) would clearly be the Vegas underdog. Yes, I had to be clear and state the Vegas underdog because if they were to fight and Golovkin foolishly agreed to a 154 pound catch-weight, and the fight is at the MGM Grand, I’d probably make Floyd the favorite.

I’m amazed every day how boxing writers and fans think if Mayweather and Golovkin agreed to fight at 154, how they really believe it would be a legitimate showdown and boost Mayweather’s status if he won – and obviously reduce Golovkin’s if he lost?

Wrong.

The fight would prove nothing. If Mayweather and Golovkin ever step into the ring, it must be for Gennady’s belts and contested at the 160 pound middleweight limit. No catch-weight stipulation, no gimmicks or cons, a real fight just as if Golovkin were fighting Willie Monroe or Daniel Geale again – as full-fledged middleweights. The challenge for Mayweather would be to see if he, as the smaller fighter, could defeat a slightly bigger and outstanding fighter? The way Sugar Ray Leonard did Marvin Hagler and Bernard Hopkins did Antonio Tarver. And don’t get me started on Michael Spinks and Roy Jones beating Larry Holmes and John Ruiz, who both weighed 50 pounds more than any fighter Michael or Roy ever fought.

Has anyone reading this ever seen Golovkin fight at 154? No! Then how in the hell does anybody know what kind of fighter he is at that weight? If Floyd beat him at 154, that’s not beating the same guy who Daniel Geale, Martin Murray and Willie Monroe had to contend with. I’d be willing to bet all three of them would’ve fared much better had Gennady been forced to weigh in at 154 when they fought him. If Golovkin and Mayweather fought, Gennady would carry one advantage into the ring, physicality and strength. If he is forced to suck down an extra six pounds, that’s gone. So what would be the herculean feat on Mayweather’s part be if he beat GGG via stripping away his only advantage before they laced their gloves on?

Haven’t boxing fans been gouged and hosed out of their money enough by paying for Mayweather’s illusions? It seems that those who think Mayweather-Golovkin at 154 is a legit matchup never had to cut weight for a combat sport like boxing/wrestling. Everybody, at least I thought, knew that fighters/wrestlers take their weight down as low as they can while still retaining as much of their strength as possible. If 154 was no big deal for Golovkin, he’d be fighting there. Sure, his team has said Gennady can make 154, but what do you expect them to say with so much money involved? I’ll tell you what they’re not going to say, and that is Gennady will be a skeleton with skin and with a dramatic reduction in strength at the weight.

Losing those last six pounds would rob Golovkin of so much of his natural strength it wouldn’t be funny. And there’s no way he could rehydrate back what he lost in 24/36 hours. It just doesn’t work that way. No way the week before the fight while his body is running on fumes does he get it all back after the weigh in.

Greatness is about taking risk and every all-time great in history has done so. It’s not like Mayweather has to fight him. The incentive for Floyd would be to for once beat a legitimate outstanding fighter who is in his prime and a little physically bigger than he is. Nowhere is it written that he has to be the middleweight champ. But if decides he wants that coveted sixth title, he has to fight the middleweight champ as a middleweight. The same way Roberto Duran, who weighed less than 135 for his pro-debut, and Sugar Ray Leonard, who made his debut as a welterweight, both did when they fought Marvin Hagler. And Golovkin is no Hagler, at least not yet…and both Roberto and Ray lived to tell their children they fought the great Marvin Hagler.

In all honesty, the only fight Mayweather could take that’s even worth paying fifty dollars for would be Golovkin at 160. I mean, does anyone really need to be held up again without a gun to their temple by paying for Mayweather-Pacquiao II/Alvarez II/Cotto II/Amir Khan or Kell Brook? Mayweather fighting Golovkin would be the ultimate way for Floyd to close his career. If he lost, it wouldn’t hurt his legacy a bit because he’s not supposed to win…and if he did, his legacy would really explode. But it would have to be at 160 or it wouldn’t count.

Seeing if Mayweather could beat Golovkin at 160 is a big deal. Watching him beat Golovkin at 154 might as well be sanctioned by the WWE.

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Ramirez Outpoints Barthelemy and Vergil Ortiz Scores Another Fast KO in Fresno

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10 hours ago

April 27, 2024

David A. Avila

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Northern California favorite Jose Ramirez avoided an upset and knockout artist Vergil Ortiz destroyed his opponent on Saturday to set up a showdown with Australia’s power-punching Tim Tszyu.

After a 13-month layoff Ramirez (29-1, 18 KOs) shook off ring rust and avoided an upset by Cuba’s Rances Barthelemy (30-3-1, 15 KOs) in a battle between former world champions at Save Mart Center in Fresno.

It was Ramirez’s first bout under Golden Boy Promotions and he was nearly derailed by the slick counter-punching southpaw in the third and six rounds with laser left counters that connected every time. Though he was floored in the third round it was ruled a push down by referee Jack Reiss.

Fans gasped.

“He throws that left hand and I got hit with it in one round,” Ramirez said. “It motivated him.”

Once Ramirez figured out the remedy, he kept the fight inside and attacked the body and head. Barthelemy was unable to uncork one of his long lefts at close distance.

From the seventh round on the former super lightweight champion took control and kept the Cuban fighter against the ropes and unloaded shots to the body and head. He nearly forced a stoppage in the 11^th round.

Barthelemy survived but all three judges scored it big for Ramirez after 12 rounds: 119-109 twice and 118-110.

Vergil KOs Number 21

Knowing a win sets up a massive showdown against Aussie slugger Tim Tszyu, the Texas slugger Vergil Ortiz (21-0, 21 KOs) wasted no time in blasting out Puerto Rico’s Thomas Dulorme (26-7-1, 17 KOs) with a perfectly placed left hook to the body. Dulorme collapsed to the ground in agony.

Referee Tom Taylor stopped counting at 2:39 of the first round.

“It was a very calculated punch,” Ortiz said.

It was a commanding one round performance that sets up the showdown against the equally powerful Tszyu who despite losing a split decision to Sebastian Fundora last month by split decision, retains his reputation as a dangerous puncher.

Ortiz, who has 21 knockouts in 21 fights, will probably be fighting Tszyu in Los Angeles on June 1 if all negotiations go smoothly.

“Tim (Tszyu) I know you are watching the fight,” said Ortiz. “I’m ready. Let’s put on a great performance.”

Other Bouts

Oscar Duarte (27-2-1, 22 KOs) proved his knockout loss against Ryan Garcia would not stop him from improving as he defeated Jojo Diaz (33-6-1) by knockout at 2:32 of the ninth round in a super lightweight match. Referee Michael Margado wisely stopped the bludgeoning as a towel came flying in almost simultaneously.

It was the first time Diaz was ever defeated by knockout, though he never touched the canvas. It was also the first time Duarte trained with Robert Garcia and the difference was notable as he repeatedly walked through incoming fire and attacked the smaller fighter continuously.

“I want to fight the best in the world,” Duarte said.

Female Title Fight

A rematch battle for the flyweight championship saw Argentina’s Gabriela Alaniz (15-1) defeat Marlen Esparza (14-2) this time with a two-fisted attack to win by split decision after 10 rounds.

Esparza failed to make weight and walked in three pounds overweight and Alaniz took advantage to win the WBA, WBC, and WBO flyweight titles in the rematch. Once again the scores were puzzling but this time in favor of Alaniz 97-93, 96-94, and 92-98.

Alaniz now holds the WBO, WBA, WBC flyweight world titles.

Welterweights

Mexico’s Raul Curiel (15-0, 13 KOs) busted body shots on Jorge Marron Jr. (20-5-2) and floored him twice in the first round. The second body blow left Marron paralyzed and unable to continue at 1:31 of the first round as referee Thomas Taylor counted him out.

Curiel, who is managed by Frank Espinoza and son, proved he’s ready for the upper levels of the welterweight division.

“I think I’m ready for the bigger names,” Curiel said. “You see the results.”

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Avila Perspective, Chap. 282: Ryan’s Song, Golden Boy in Fresno and More

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2 days ago

April 26, 2024

David A. Avila

Avila Perspective, Chap. 282: Ryan’s Song, Golden Boy in Fresno and More

Don’t call it an upset.

Days after Ryan Garcia proved the experts wrong, those same experts are re-tooling their evaluation processes.

It’s mind-boggling to me that 95 percent thought Garcia had no chance. Hear me out.

First, Garcia and Haney fought six times as amateurs with each winning three. But this time with no head gear and smaller gloves, Garcia had to have at least a 50/50 chance of winning. He is faster and a more powerful puncher.

Facts.

Haney is a wonderful boxer with smooth, almost artistic movements. But history has taught us power and speed like Garcia’s can’t be discounted. Think way back to legendary fighters like Willie Pep and Sandy Sadler. All that excellent defensive skill could not prevent Sadler from beating Pep in three of their four meetings.

Power has always been an equalizer against boxing skill.

Ben Lira, one of the wisest and most experienced trainers in Southern California, always professed knockout power was the greatest equalizer in a fight. “You can be behind for nine rounds and one punch can change the outcome,” he said.

Another weird theory spreading before the fight was that Garcia would quit in the fight. That was a puzzling one. Getting stopped by a perfect body shot is not quitting. And that punch came from Gervonta “Tank” Davis who can really crack.

So how did Garcia do it?

In the opening round Ryan Garcia timed Devin Haney’s jab and countered with a snapping left hook that rattled and wobbled the super lightweight champion. After that, Garcia forced Haney to find another game plan.

Garcia and trainer Derrick James must have worked hours on that move.

I must confess that I first saw Garcia’s ability many years ago when he was around 11 or 12. So I do have an advantage regarding his talent. A few things I noticed even back then were his speed and power. Also, that others resented his talent but respected him. He was the guy with everything: talent and looks.

And that brings resentment.

Recently I saw him and his crew rapping a song on social media. Now he’s got a song. Next thing you know Hollywood will be calling and he’ll be in the movies. It’s happened before with fighters such as Art Aragon, the first Golden Boy in the 50s. He was dating movie stars and getting involved with starlets all over Hollywood.

Is history repeating itself or is Garcia creating a new era for boxing?

Since 2016 people claimed he was just a social media creation. Now, after his win over Devin Haney a former undisputed lightweight champion and the WBC super lightweight titleholder, the boxer from the high desert area of Victorville has become one of the highest paid fighters in the world.

Ryan Garcia has entered a new dimension.

Golden Boy Season

After several down years the Los Angeles-based company Golden Boy Promotions suddenly is cracking the whip in 2024.

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Vergil Ortiz Jr. (20-0, 20 KOs) returns to the ring and faces Puerto Rico’s Thomas Dulorme (26-6-1, 17 KOs) a welterweight gatekeeper who lost to Jaron “Boots” Ennis and Eimantas Stanionis. They meet as super welterweights in the co-main event at Save Mart Arena in Fresno, Calif. on Saturday, April 27. DAZN will stream the Golden Boy Promotions card live.

It’s a quick return to action for Ortiz who is still adjusting to the new weight division. His last fight three months ago ended in less than one round in Las Vegas. It was cut short by an antsy referee and left Ortiz wanting more after more than a year of inactivity in the prize ring.

Ortiz has all the weapons.

Also, Northern California’s Jose Carlos Ramirez (28-1, 18 KOs) meets Cuba’s Rances Barthelemy (30-2-1, 15 KOs) in a welterweight affair set for 12 rounds.

It’s difficult to believe that former super lightweight titlist Ramirez has been written off by fans after only one loss. That was several years ago against Scotland’s Josh Taylor. One loss does not mean the end of a career.

“My goal is to get back on top and to get all those belts back. I still feel like I am one of the best 140-pounders in the division,” said Ramirez who lives in nearby Avenal, Calif.

An added major attraction features Marlen Esparza in a unification rematch against Gabriela “La Chucky” Alaniz for the WBA, WBC, WBO flyweight titles. Their first fight was

a controversial win by Esparza that saw one judge give her nine of 10 rounds in a very close fight. Those Texas judges.

In a match that could steal the show, Oscar Duarte (26-2-1, 21 KOs) faces former world champion Jojo Diaz (33-5-1, 15 KOs) in a lightweight match.

Munguia and Canelo

Don’t sleep on this match.

Its current Golden Boy fighter Jaime Munguia facing former Golden Boy fighter Saul “Canelo” Alvarez in a battle between Mexico’s greatest sluggers next week at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas on May 4.

“I think Jaime Munguia is going to do something special in the ring,” said Oscar De La Hoya, the CEO for Golden Boy.

Tijuana’s Munguia showed up at the Wild Card Boxing gym in Hollywood where a throng of media from Mexico and the US met him.

Munguia looked confident and happy about his opportunity to fight great Canelo.

“It’s a hard fight,” said Munguia. “Truth is, its big for Mexico and not only for Mexicans but for boxing.”

Fights to Watch

Fri. DAZN 6 p.m. Yoeniz Tellez (7-0) vs Joseph Jackson (19-0).

Sat. DAZN 9:30 a.m. Peter McGrail (8-1) vs Marc Leach (18-3-1); Beatriz Ferreira (4-0) vs Yanina Del Carmen 14-3).

Sat. DAZN 5 p.m. Vergil Ortiz (20-0) vs Thomas Dulorme (26-6-1); Jose Carlos Ramirez (28-1) vs Rances Barthelemy (30-2-1); Marlen Esparza (14-1) vs Gabriela Alaniz (14-1).

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Ramon Cardenas Channels Micky Ward and KOs Eduardo Ramirez on ProBox

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4 days ago

April 24, 2024

Arne K. Lang

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The Wednesday night bi-monthly series of fights on the ProBox TV platform is the best deal in boxing; the livestream is free with no strings attached! Tonight’s episode was headlined by a super bantamweight match between San Antonio’s Ramon Cardenas and Eduardo Ramirez who brought a caravan of rooters from his hometown in Guaymas, Sonora, Mexico.

Cardenas, coached by Joel Diaz, entered the contest ranked #4 by the WBA. He was expected to handle Ramirez with little difficulty, but this was a close, tactical fight through eight frames when lightning struck in the form of a left hook to the liver from Cardenas. Ramirez went down on one knee and wasn’t able to beat the count. It was as if Cardenas summoned the ghost of Micky Ward who had a penchant for terminating fights with the same punch that arrived out of the blue.

The official time was 1:37 of round nine. Cardenas improved to 25-1 with his14th win inside the distance. Ramirez, who was stopped in the opening round by Nick “Wrecking” Ball in London in his lone previous fight outside Mexico, falls to 23-3-3.

Co-Feature

In an upset, Tijuana super welterweight Damian Sosa won a split decision over previously undefeated Marques Valle, a local area fighter who was stepping up in class in his first 10-round go. Sosa was the aggressor, repeatedly backing his taller opponent into the ropes where Valle was unable to get good leverage behind his punches.

The 25-year-old Valle, managed by the influential David McWater, was the house fighter. This was his 10^th appearance in this building. He brought a 10-0 (7) record and was hoping to emulate the success of his younger brother Dominic Valle who scored a second-round stoppage of his opponent in this ring two weeks ago, improving to 9-0. But Sosa, who brought a 24-2 record, proved to be a bridge too high.

The judges had it 97-93 and 96-94 for the Tijuana invader and a disgraceful 98-92 for the house fighter.

Also

In a fight whose abrupt ending would be echoed by the main event, 34-year-old SoCal featherweight Ronny Rios, now training in Las Vegas, returned to the ring after a 22-month hiatus and scored a fifth-round stoppage over Nicolas Polanco of the Dominican Republic.

A three-punch combo climaxed by a left hook to the liver took the breath out of Polanco who slumped to his knees and was counted out. A two-time world title challenger, Rios advanced to 34-4 (17 KOs). Polanco, 34, declined to 21-6-1. The official time was 0:54 of round five.

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The next ProBox show (Wednesday, May 8) will have an international cast with fighters from Kazakhstan, Japan, Mongolia, and the United Kingdom. In the main event, Liverpool’s Robbie Davies Jr will make his U.S. debut against the California-based Kazakh Sergey Lipinets.

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